Kerbouchard

Looking at the Katrina nightmare and some of the other threads, it seems a popular statement is 'They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands'. While I certainly feel strongly about the issue, but I don't know if I feel that strongly about it.

In New Orleans, what they did was certainly unconstitutional, and while I would be very opposed to relinquishing any of my weapons, I am not sure how I could resist or even if I would. I imagine the officers were not open to a discussion on ConLaw, and I have had on occasion the unfortunate circumstance where an on site LEO and me have had disagreements about what the law clearly said. In that circumstance, I went along with the LEO, with Yes, sir's and No, sirs, and we sorted it out later, and it worked out just fine. This situation doesn't seem to be one where you can agree to disagree and work it out later, because the fact of the matter is you either disarm yourself in a dangerous situation, or you keep your arms and put yourself in a more dangerous situation where you are now effectively resisting LE while they are in the commission of their duties.

For instance, in TX, even if it is blatantly an unlawful search ,seizure, or arrest, you cannot resist the search and seizure, as that would be illegal. The only time you could resist is if the officer used unprovoked force that was greater than necessary to carry out that search, seizure or arrest.

So, I guess my point/question is, there really isn't anything I can think of to stop somebody from unlawfully confiscating any or all of my weapons. I understand after the N.O. fiasco, most LE probably recieved more training, but it's worrisome to know that even in hindsight, I don't have any better answers about what to do, than what they were forced to do when it happened.

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retsupt99

Tough spot to be in! I don't want to shoot a cop, and I don't want to GET shot...not much of a choice...settle it later with an attorney!

Stay armed...stay safe!

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Ram Rod

When the time comes, you'll know what to do. Out in public, at the business end of several M-16's and a squad of gestapo officers, I guess I'd more than likely reluctantly give up my lawfully owned property. In my home, invaded, I'll likely become a statistic, and get hauled out in a plastic bag. One thing about that---I won't be the only one. Surely the media and the perpetraitors will make me out some sort of nut job, holed up with hostages or something. Sure they will have a field day with my military background too. But all in all, that won't matter then. Will it? Yes--I'm willing to die for what I believe.

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OPFOR

Have well hidden back-up guns? This is a bad scene, any way you slice it. You can't offer armed resistance to the cops - you'll lose, and the "best case" is that you kill some poor Joe who is just trying to do his job (admittedly, he's in the wrong to follow those orders, but is it worth killing him over it?) On the other hand, there's no way I'd sit still in some flooded out no-man's-land completely devoid of arms...

So - hypothetically of course - buy an AK and a Glock, seal them up really well, and hide them where they absolutely will not be found. When you are asked if you have weapons, say yes, turn over the ones you have on you/available at the time, try as hard as you can to get a receipt, and then wave at the nice officers as they continue on their merry way. Then, go dig up the goodies, and defend your life.

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Kerbouchard

Opfor, yeah, that's about what I came up with, give up some sacrificial arms and hope they don't find the rest...it just goes against the grain.

I didn't mean to come up with a worst case, hypothetical scenario. From what I understand, this is exactly what had happened in N.O.

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cdwolf

I'm with ram rod I live in a all brick house,all interior walls are brick!! Without a signed warrant, they don't get in, till they break in. there will be no one trying to jump to the front of the line trying to come in! I will test some of there tacticool training! I need a gas mask!LOL
It's my home if it's not to the letter of the current law, they will be the one's on the wrong side! It's my castle!!

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foreveryoung001

That's what I was thinking as well... Although, as with Katrina, they did have plenty of warning that the storm was coming, and when you live below sea level I can only imagine that you must have some idea that your life/home might be in danger from flooding. I most likely would have left and taken my firearms with me, before the flood.

I think of it like situational awareness but on a bigger scale.

I'm not going to wake up one morning and have the National guard at my door demanding to search my home for weapons. There will be some political, social, or natural situation that would proceed such a move, and I just need to be aware of it, and not be home when they show up.

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cdwolf

Not wanting to hijack,but what other sit could you see this type of seizure taken place!

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tns0038

I totally agree. So long as they don’t bring dogs, hiding a pistol or two is easy.

Think I’ll take your advice and hide a Glock and ammo. While I’m at it I might as well add a rifle to that stash.

Kerbouchard

I'm not sure. Worst case scenario, Dem's win the whitehouse and pass a law banning guns. I don't think we'll see that in our life time, but who knows.
Maybe a New York style terrorist attack.
Peak oil.
Riots.
Civil uprising.

I'm not exactly sure. I didn't think it could ever happen, but it did in N.O. I couldn't even have imagined armed checkpoints in a U.S. city a few years go.

foreveryoung, I agree with you, I would most likely not be there after a week of advanced notice, but then again, I've ridden out Hurricanes before in Houston, so I can't say that I absolutely would evacuate.

Hopefully this situation will never occur on American soil again, but if it does, there is no guarantee that you would have 1-2 weeks advanced notice, either.

I'm not saying I agree with those that stayed, but abandoning everything I own would be a hard decision to make. That being said, part of deciding where I would live when I got out of the Navy was based on considerations like that. I chose Dallas instead of Galveston or Houston for precisely that reason. I think living below sea level or on a fault line or beneath an active volcano are all bad juju.

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