If the red dot from the laser does not make him put the bat down and leave me alone, what follows will, a baseball bat could do more damage than i would like to sustain.


I am not as fast as I once was, and my eyes are a little worse , thereforeI have attached a laser to my gun.

 

If there were no keys in the car so that I could move over and drive away, I'd wait to see how intent this random guy was at getting to me. Maybe he's just mad at the world and is slamming the vehicle. It would most likely take a few blows to get thru a window. I'd see if he followed over to the driver side and started after me on that side.

Meanwhile.....I'll have called 911.

If it appears he'll get thru a window so that he can actually harm me, I'll get out and try to keep the car between us, hollaring for help. I'm not going to run and lose the only cover I have...I dont know how fast he is. (Altho it's possible that there's a business near enough that I could run into).

Gun will be drawn and warning shouted. Unless he's extremely hyped up on drugs or I trip, a single guy shouldnt be able to get around the car to get to me (a married one, maybe...arr arr). Hopefully help will come. If it doesnt and he gets the advantage on me, I'll shoot COM.



Someone mentioned pepper spray. At first, it seemed too dangerous to get that close to use it (when they could still lunge at you with the bat), but it may very well be possible to use it across the top of the car....something to consider.

 

One swing of a bat can take a persons life. So I would have to say had that been me that guy would have been a split second away from losing his life

 

I would definitely answer a swinging bat with a couple of shots, one swing is all it takes to kill

 

Swing at me with a deadly weapon {Bat} and you`re toast Period. Let the lawyers sort it out later,I`m safe.

 

I honestly can't believe some of the responses to this thread, and the only thing I can think of is that you all haven't played baseball or ever swung a bat before. With a metal bat I'd say it's 50:50 that i could break the passenger window and strike your head in one blow. 100% that I can break the passenger window and your skull in two blows.

As soon as strike 1 occurs on the front window I am giving two center mass and aiming high just in case.

A baseball bat is second in my mind of personal deadly weapons only behind someone who knows how to fire a firearm.

Sheesh, a few of you all could be dead or severely injured if you do not intend to draw and use your firearm immediately against this deadly, deadly threat.

 

What would you do If this happened to you ...... and you were armed?

Bang.

 

Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. re-assess. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang..........Bang.

 

I think it took just one swing of the bat from the Bear Jew in Inglorious ******** (powerful movie clip) to mess up his mellon. The rest just finished him off.

The bear Jew scene! (Inglorious Bastards) - YouTube

 

I played with this scenario some this morning. Will do some more on Wed. It is interesting.
Psychobubba charging and swinging like a wild man is tough to deal with.

I'm bringing head gear Wed. Today, without head gear I charged in and blocked with my off hand while attempting a belly shot with my rt hand. The results were predictable. The gun hand got grabbed or knocked away from COM.

Trying to pedal backwards and away or sideways while reaching for a weapon in a pocket doesn't allow enough speed to outdistance the attacker.

Fun and games.

More later as I play with this and learn.

 

Hey Hopyard take a look at this! ...... AIKIDO VERSUS BASEBALL BAT - YouTube

I personally don't think one can disarm him of the bat AND draw AND shoot all at the same time.

Like most others have said .. A,O,J are all satisfied with assailant's first swing. If time, distance and circumstances allow----> zipper ... bang bang bang bang.

By the way, if you do disarm him of the bat you may negate A, O, J.

 

Hey Hopyard take a look at this! ...... AIKIDO VERSUS BASEBALL BAT - YouTube

I personally don't think one can disarm him of the bat AND draw AND shoot all at the same time.

Like most others have said .. A,O,J are all satisfied with assailant's first swing. If time, distance and circumstances allow----> zipper ... bang bang bang bang.

By the way, if you do disarm him of the bat you may negate A, O, J.

Yes, of course you can't do both at the same time.

Haven't had a chance to look at the vid you linked to. My point was that even if you manage to charge in to defeat the momentum and attempt to take a shot, your opponent (if he has the bat by one hand still has a free hand to grab to your gun and knock it off COM. Therefore it might be better to attempt the disarm than to even pull the gun. And of course, once you have the bat, no bang or you will end up behind bars.

 

You come at me with a bat that you are attempting to swing at me and I have no where to go (which is always the best option) I yell loudly for witnesses and tell you to back away from me," I do not want any trouble". I am in imminent danger--you continue I keeel you.

 

The outside of the arc is where the greatest velocity is. I would stay away from there.
Enter the center before the bat gets to you and rotate in the same direction as the asailant only slightly faster than he is turning so that you are leading him.
This is all tooooooo academic.
None of that works if the guy uses the bat like a pool cue and thrusts the end of it two-handed into your throat, nose, face etc, etc.

I am a firm believer in the 'big-bang' theory.
[ or as i said earlier....bang, bang, bang, bang ]

 

The problem with the big bang theory is you may never get a chance to pull and fire. Then again you may.

As you say this is all too academic. The only way to know what will or won't work (for you) is to get on it in practice sessions-- keeping it safe of course with appropriate protective gear and a modicum of good sense.

See what actually happens in various scenarios.

 

Someone I went to high school with was shot and killed by a local cop who was not charged and the family never sued.

A hit in the head by a bat can be absolutely fatal, don't kid yourself otherwise. And, if you shoot him in the leg and he still smashes your noggin in what good have you done?

 

The video is pretty good, but I would like to see what happens when the BG is acting like a BG. I know you practice slow to commit responses to memory and develop muscle memory but how about you give the BG a pool noodle or wiffle bat and tell him to "kill" the GG. Then when the bat wielder is not predictable see how many blows to the head, ribs, arms or legs the teacher takes. Plus add in that after the first full speed blow to his arm in a blocking maneuver that arm is now useless because it is shattered etc. I did some MA back in the 80's but never went too far with it, I know it is very effective but wonder how a mid level individual would fair in this situation.

 

The video is pretty good, but I would like to see what happens when the BG is acting like a BG. I know you practice slow to commit responses to memory and develop muscle memory but how about you give the BG a pool noodle or wiffle bat and tell him to "kill" the GG. Then when the bat wielder is not predictable see how many blows to the head, ribs, arms or legs the teacher takes. Plus add in that after the first full speed blow to his arm in a blocking maneuver that arm is now useless because it is shattered etc. I did some MA back in the 80's but never went too far with it, I know it is very effective but wonder how a mid level individual would fair in this situation.

See, the same question could be asked about using a gun to stop the attack. How quickly can the gun be accessed; maybe it is in a pocket not OWB? How quickly can you get it on target? Can you shoot it and hit something while moving? What if it doesn't stop the bat wielder instantly?

There is no answer to this situation except to practice some, think about responses, and do whatever works in the moment.

I stated in my first post, "run." And I meant it.

 

Just to prove the reality of the deadliness of a baseball bat.........

Florida Man Charged With Killing Couple With Bat

Published December 04, 2011

| Associated Press

Print Email Share Comments Text Size MIAMI – Authorities say a North Florida man has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder after he told investigators that he beat a couple to death with a baseball bat and then photographed their bodies.

The Hernando County Sheriff's Office said in a news release Saturday that 40-year-old Craig Arron Lede of Spring Hill is being held without bond. Authorities say he admitted killing 29-year-old John Ketsemidis and 28-year-old Dana Nelson at Lede's house on Wednesday night.

An arrest affidavit says Lede became enraged when Ketsemidis said he couldn't repay a debt. The affidavit says Lede "stated he photographed the bodies and intended to keep the picture as a trophy because he was tired of being screwed over."

Lede is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of armed robbery. He is currently being held without bond.



Read more: Florida Man Charged With Killing Couple With Bat | Fox News

 

Local retired cop heard a disturbance outside his mobile home. He went outside to see what was going on. A local miscreant was smashing windows in other mobile homes. When the retired cop ordered him to stop he turned on the cop and started toward him with the bat raised to strike a blow. The retired cop shot him to the ground. The grand jury no billed the retired cop.

Jim

 

I agree, of course back to the original scenario where you are in a car and the guy starts bashing windows to get to you. I believe this would give you the time needed to draw a gun and engage, unless he comes from behind unseen. In that case you don't know he is there until the window next to your head shatters all over you. Possible to scramble to the other seat, but I would still be buckled into the seat assuming I am waiting for my wife to run in and out. Then I screwed again, gun at 4:00 seated and strapped in basher winding up for the home run shot.

 

This might be one of the few scenarios where an LCP or similar on a left ankle would work. OR wearing something in a cross draw holster left side. Or carrying in a "car jacker" style holster.

Anyone know if good old fashioned throwing darts can still be purchased anywhere and if they are classified as prohibited weapons?

 

Many years ago I actually saw somebody get hit in the backside/side of the head with a baseball bat. Given the fact it was not a full contact the guy who got hit dropped like a bag of rocks. I will never forget the look in the guy who swung it eyes. It was a "oh shoot I just killed this guy." He was scaried.

 

What would you do If this happened to you ...... and you were armed?


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Would I be the only one access my sidearm?

I went back and reread the OP. It seems to me that I as the passenger have three options, given my age and physical condition.

1. Stay in the car and hope he gets tired and departs before he starts beating on me.

2. Exit the car and engage him in the open where he can get a good swing at me.

3. Engage him from within the car where all he can really do is thrust the bat at me.

Personally I'd choose 3. It seems to be the safest option.

Jim

P.S. I have never been attacked by someone wielding a bat, but if I was this is what I would try to do. I would do everything possible to protect my head and neck while trying to create space and time to access my weapon. I would gladly sacrifice a couple of ribs before I would take a head shot. Generally I would say circle away from the direction where the swing is coming from and stay on your feet no matter what. If that means sacrificing a limb, so be it. You can take a pretty solid blow to an arm if it is done correctly and it is possible to cover your head and neck area with your upper arm, lower arm, and shoulder which is much tougher than your lower arm alone.

If it takes you 2 seconds to effect your draw that means you be able to inflict significant damage on this guy in 3 or 4 seconds. Keep moving and if you did your job he'll run out of gas soon.

Not to get into specific techniques but this would be a serious fight and you might not come out unscathed if you didn't see it coming in time.

Remember, you are the good guy. Never give up. Always find a way to win.