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This is a discussion on Friendly Fire within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 Except there was no confusion in either scenario as to who the good guy and bad guy was. Both were errant ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Except there was no confusion in either scenario as to who the good guy and bad guy was. Both were errant rounds hitting unintended targets.
    Gotcha. My reading comprehension (lack of) skill had me thinking that you got shot the second time by being misidentified.

    I guess a sash won't do you any good but you'd look darn spiffy wearing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    Gotcha. My reading comprehension (lack of) skill had me thinking that you got shot the second time by being misidentified.

    I guess a sash won't do you any good but you'd look darn spiffy wearing it.
    Yes, I do. Add that concealed carry badge on my eleven o'clock belt line, and I am one of the coolest guys in Panera's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Yes, I do. Add that concealed carry badge on my eleven o'clock belt line, and I am one of the coolest guys in Panera's.
    Well, you'll probably be the only armed one too so at least you don't have as much friendly fire to worry about
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    Unless you are brain dead, learning takes place in every thing we do. Sometimes its what to do and sometimes its what not to do - either way ups the odds of a successful mitigation of a force encounter. Improvise, adapt, overcome, works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CG11 View Post
    Unless you are brain dead, learning takes place in every thing we do. Sometimes its what to do and sometimes its what not to do - either way ups the odds of a successful mitigation of a force encounter. Improvise, adapt, overcome, works.
    All true. I certainly learned something in both the incidents I described.
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    We use sim guns and it is amazing how easy you get amped up and start getting tunnel vision training how you fight is the only way to successfully train. I highly recommend anyone who has to to take some force on force training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entertainment72 View Post
    What good is all this extra training if the most rudimentary of scenarios results in such a horrible mistake?

    Training and practice have their place and can help somewhat prepare someone for a deadly force encounter. But at the end of the day the only real experience is earned by actual encounters outside the classroom/range.

    80 plus hours of training is quite expensive and time consuming to still be Barney Fifing it up...
    True that there is nothing like real combat but that is not to say that the expense isn't worth it.
    Even the highly trained make mistakes, that's life, but it's the higher level of training that enables them to survive and prevail. Look at aviation for an analogous situation. Flight simulators have saved many lives and are considered necessary for any serious flight training and testing.

    The whole point of the extra training is exactly to make those "Barney Fife" mistakes. To push yourself to a higher level of stress and realism in order to find the weak points in ones training. Yes, it's expensive which is one reason it's not more popular.

    For those not able to afford the FoF level I'd suggest they make their fundamental training the best they can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entertainment72 View Post
    What good is all this extra training if the most rudimentary of scenarios results in such a horrible mistake?

    Training and practice have their place and can help somewhat prepare someone for a deadly force encounter. But at the end of the day the only real experience is earned by actual encounters outside the classroom/range.

    80 plus hours of training is quite expensive and time consuming to still be Barney Fifing it up...
    Everything related to shooting aside, there are a huge number of pilots and astronauts who would disagree very strongly. In fact, most of them are alive because at one time or another when a real life scenario presented itself, that particular life-saving response had already been practiced many times in the simulator. It is all about having a good idea of what works and what doesn't BEFORE the situation turns real.

    If you learn from your mistakes, time spent making them is indeed time well spent.

    @Hoganbeg you rascal, you beat me to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I don't know, Mike. Maybe they just figured you needed to be shot.
    I gave my fellow members here several hours to rush to my defense before I responded to this post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I gave my fellow members here several hours to rush to my defense before I responded to this post...
    Keep waiting...
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    Awww Mike...ya' know we love you - even IF you have the ugliest dog photo avatar on earth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    The mind is the limiting factor. The mind is the weapon, the tools we use are just tools.
    Beyond every tool that is available to mankind, the mind is the greatest of all. Once you can control your mind, everything thing else just flows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenboyles72 View Post
    Beyond every tool that is available to mankind, the mind is the greatest of all. Once you can control your mind, everything thing else just flows.
    You assume everyone has one.
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    There is that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    You assume everyone has one.
    Just watching the news should clue us in on how many people don't waste any time on thinking.
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