LimaCharlie said: May 21st, 2019 11:50 AM
OD* said: May 21st, 2019 11:51 AM
flh said: May 21st, 2019 11:55 AM
OD* said: May 21st, 2019 12:03 PM
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glockman10mm said: May 21st, 2019 12:15 PM
oldshirt said: May 21st, 2019 02:03 PM
Is this some kind of motivated, dedicated, disciplined fighting force? If it is, you are probably outgunned and outmanned no matter what you are carrying or how many rounds you have. If they are determined to put up a fight, the amount of ammo you have and how fast you can fire them will only impact how many bodies are laying beside yours.
If they are a group of loser street urchins trying to score some extra crack money, they'll likely scatter at the first noise and first sign of serious resistance.
In neither case are they just going to stand still and let someone pick them off one by one.
Steven Segal usually does a pretty good job of taking down a whole group of bad guys one by one but I doubt if real life goes down like that much.
If they're dedicated and disciplined, they'll get you even if you have a mini gun. And if they're just a band of douchenozzles, they'll **** their pants and scatter when they hear a loud bang and realize their plan isn't going down the way they planned it. And even then, one of them may get a lucky parting shot off on you as they're running for the door.
In either scenario the chances of you standing there victorious and unscathed with a ring of bodies laying all around you is about as realistic as the fantasy of delivering pizza to a lesbian oil orgy and having them beg you to bang them all. It makes for good movies but I doubt it plays out like that much in real life.
Snub44 said: May 21st, 2019 02:13 PM
AzQkr said: May 21st, 2019 02:19 PM
Tactics plays a bigger part in these scenarios than most people realize
The mind is the limiting factor
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oldshirt said: May 21st, 2019 02:19 PM
I'm not sure what the prevailing policy and mentality of police departments is today, but back in the rural, midwestern area I grew up in 20-30 years ago, LEOs were never truly 'off duty' and were expected to intervene and prevail if they encountered an event off duty as well as on. The departments in my area required off duty carry and ID etc.
Which kind of begs the question of what are a lot of LEOs carrying off duty on their personal time? And is that question even being muddied by the fact that a lot of departments also mandate what can and what cannot be carried off duty?
oldshirt said: May 21st, 2019 02:23 PM
I tell my wife and kids that if anyone ever tries to restrain/tie them up or move them from one location to another - fight to the death with whatever means you can because they are going to kill you anyway. If nothing else get their DNA under your nails so on autopsy you can at least help identify them.
Bad Bob said: May 21st, 2019 04:19 PM
glockman10mm said: May 21st, 2019 05:03 PM
LimaCharlie said: May 21st, 2019 05:43 PM
My plan for facing a large attacking force is to do a tactical back-flip with a half-gainer and run like the wind.
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Bad Bob said: May 21st, 2019 07:37 PM
OldChap said: May 21st, 2019 07:44 PM
Steven couldn't take down a row of pansies with a riding lawn mower. Hollywood folks are basically all pretenders - they are not real.Steven Segal usually does a pretty good job of taking down a whole group of bad guys one by one but I doubt if real life goes down like that much.
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