What Would Be Your Response
This is a discussion on What Would Be Your Response within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956
Asshattery as we saw in a couple Walmarts, legal or not, does even less to further the RTKBA, IMO. Again, JMO, ...
August 10th, 2019 09:02 AM
Can't you see grown-ups are trying to have a conversation here?
Originally Posted by Mike1956
August 10th, 2019 09:16 AM
I would certainly be be leery of a guy who lacks the common sense not to do something like that in the aftermath of the recent mass shootings. Did he have the right to do it? Absolutely. Should he have done it? Absolutely not. Kudos to the firefighter for doing what he did. We don't know, maybe he did actually prevent another mass murder. On the other hand.........was what he did legal? Should he have waited until the guy unslung his rifle and loaded a mag before he confronted him? What a conundrum.
I think he did the right thing, but will he end up getting sued for false arrest?
August 10th, 2019 09:20 AM
Pretty selfish of you...Seeing how it is a right...I don't open carry either but i sure wouldn't and have
Originally Posted by Mike1956
never said i wouldn't lose sleep over someone losing that right..Besides that..There is a big difference between this guy
and regular good ol boy open carrying a side arm only normally going about his business.
August 10th, 2019 09:27 AM
Childish and selfish. Got it.
Originally Posted by Cornhusker95
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August 10th, 2019 11:19 AM
I am going to state my thoughts on Our Rights in another way..
While we all have Rights we do not have the Moral Right to shove our Rights into others faces
August 11th, 2019 05:21 PM
If any state legislates open carry it must be tolerated and respected, like it or not. It might not be the smartest thing to do by walking in a Wal-mart with an AR15 just after two recent shootings. You just might scare some people. But they too have the right to drop their Cheetos and Twinkies and run screaming to the exits.
But here in South Carolina, which I consider a gun friendly state by the way, open carry is not allowed. So when I see someone carrying an AR15 into my neighborly Wal-Mart, my spidey senses alert me to the fact that something just might be rotten in Denmark so to speak.
You can support open carry or not, but any law has to be honored once enacted.
August 11th, 2019 05:54 PM
Talk about bad timing...that guy is lucky to be alive.
It's one thing to exercise your rights. It's another to be outright stupid.
If I had encountered him at my local Walmart I would have quietly thanked him for flying his firearm flag then cautioned him that, unfortunately due to his bad timing, this could be his last day on earth once the LEOs arrive on scene.
August 11th, 2019 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by mailman
(However, taken to an extreme, as today's young are inclined to do, that will produce more "snowflakes.")
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August 11th, 2019 08:18 PM
This article expands on his motivations, and explains the terrorist threat lingo
"Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement that Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm but that right "does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens."
Patterson said he was thankful no one was injured. According to the affidavit, Andreychenko's rifle was loaded but it was not chambered.
"A person commits the crime of making a terrorist threat in the second degree when he recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation of any portion of a building and knowingly communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life or knowingly causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life," Patterson said.
I think what we have here is a collision between rights to open carry, and an implied threat because of the manner he was carrying. Also, I want to point out that just because he was taken in does not mean he was convicted.
That being said, and I am no lawyer, walking into a Walmart dressed and armed as he was, just days after a tragic and well publicized shooting, may have reasonably been interpreted by the present public as a threat. It speaks, without the use of words, to the same kind of thing as someone yelling fire in a crowded building. One would expect panic to occur with that, and any person with an IQ above 10 should have known that dressing and doing what he did could easily have resulted in panic.
This is for sure a gray area case, and it will be up to the court to decide to kick or keep.
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August 13th, 2019 10:13 PM
August 16th, 2019 02:24 PM
Not sure I would be so cavalier.
Guy shopping in a WM open carrying an AR with over 100 rounds of ammo wearing tacticool attire.
He may not have broken any laws except the law of being stupid.
Going through life stupid can be bad for your health.
I would not personally confront him but I would call and request that a LEO check him out. I would expect a LEO to observe him and make a cursory contact to judge for himself/herself what is afoot (if anything). I live in a OC state and I have seen OCers on occasion but none with a rifle. A few of them I have remained and shopped along side them but mostly I get a weird feeling about them and leave. Its hard to describe in words when you see someone who just looks "off" or is not behaving as normal people would in the given situation. If they do not quickly appear to me as a squared away individual, I just leave. Mostly I leave, but thankfully its not a popular mode of carry. The most recent encounter was with a very young (20ish) looking kid with a low ride thigh rig holster sporting a Bereta92 and a low ride mag holder on the other side sporting 6 mags. The guy looked like a complete goof-ball so I kindly turned around a left. I went a couple of stores down for a sub sandwich and saw 2 LEO escorting him out of the store about 10 minutes later.
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August 16th, 2019 04:39 PM
I'm cautious of people I don't know handling guns next to me at a public range.
Context: Walmart just had 2 very publicized AR shootings. I'm throwing the flag on anyone who says their SA wouldn't have raised their threat awareness level. Or maybe they honestly have no SA.
August 16th, 2019 05:01 PM
This gentleman definitely did not think before this incident. Makes me wonder if he should have access to weapons period... This is why I love deep concealment holsters, i.e. Thunderwear/Smart carry vs open carry or any type that can print or be seen by accident. I open carried only once in AZ. I went to a 7-11 at about 11:30pm. As I stood in line with two people behind me, all I could think of was, how easy it would be for someone to hit me over the head from behind and take my open carried weapon. I kept my elbow against it the whole time and felt very uneasy. I like it when NO ONE knows I have a weapon. Just my 2 cents:)
August 16th, 2019 05:24 PM
The State cannot have it both ways.
If open carry of long-guns and pistols is legal then why is this guy in jail?
How can he be charged with a crime if the only issue is that people feel threatened by someones legal activity?
If that is the issue then just ban the open carry of firearms.
August 16th, 2019 05:56 PM
Matt I live in MO, in the other corner than were this happened and I've seen lots of people carry long guns into stores that sell guns. So someone carrying a AR into Walmarts would not have been the flag for me but rather his dressing as Rambo to boot would have. People need to remember that actions cause re-actions and there are times one needs to think about just what those re-actions could be.
Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin
What would have been my 'Response'? Not sure, it would depend a lot on his other actions and manner. But I defiantly would not be in a white condition.