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This is a discussion on What Would Be Your Response within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mailman https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Pol...529196831.html This happen in Missouri which is an open carry state... With what has happened in the past week or so ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailman View Post
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    This happen in Missouri which is an open carry state...

    With what has happened in the past week or so how would you respond?

    Just get you and your's away from the guy!

    React to stop the guy!

    Or something else!
    Ohio is and has always been an open-carry state. But this goof has more than one screw loose and is looking at getting arrested or worse. In Ohio, he would be arrested for Inducing Panic, a 3rd Degree Felony.
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    I have lived in a OC state all my life and the ONLY time I have ever seen someone OC a rifle was during hunting season while wearing insulated coveralls and an orange hat. Maybe you see a hunter stop briefly to load his/her truck or stop buy a mom/pop store in the middle of the woods but I have NEVER seen a goofball walking around with an AR in a grocery store or simply walking down the street with a rifle slung on this chest. If I did, I would probably report it as a concerning situation.
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    I agree.
    But once again we’re his actions legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    I agree.
    But once again we’re his actions legal?
    Looks like we'll have to wait for a judge to decide that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    Looks like we'll have to wait for a judge to decide that.
    You are heading down a slippery slope.
    Basically he is charged with scaring people.
    While doing a legal activity.
    Just what can be open carried— or worn—and not scare someone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinRohrer View Post
    Ohio is and has always been an open-carry state. But this goof has more than one screw loose and is looking at getting arrested or worse. In Ohio, he would be arrested for Inducing Panic, a 3rd Degree Felony.
    Open carry was the justification used to keep Ohio no issue until 2004. Never mind that the transport of firearms was so restrictive that OC was never practical off one's property. On the rare occasions it was practiced, MWAG calls were usually prompt, as was the response to them from LE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    You are heading down a slippery slope.
    Basically he is charged with scaring people.
    While doing a legal activity.
    Just what can be open carried— or worn—and not scare someone?
    Goog point. Maybe the next 2A auditor will be wearing a skull mask, 'cause the law needs to be tested. ☠️
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    You are heading down a slippery slope.
    Basically he is charged with scaring people.
    While doing a legal activity.
    Just what can be open carried— or worn—and not scare someone?
    anyone might be scared by anything but someones claim of being scared, or alarmed is typically not the sole element of these sort of laws


    Its not really a slippery slope at all. Not always but in most examples of these sort of laws the main element is the "intent" to alarm, terrorize or panic people and the act itself being qualified as something most people would have been alarmed or terrorized by. In many places it may not be illegal to walk around with a machete in hand and camo paint on your face but if you presented your self oddly and out of place in the middle of a daycare center, it may freak people out. Context is everything and the simple application of common sense can avoid such circumstances. I agree that openly carrying a rifle should not be illegal and I dont want it to be but the manner is which you do it can have many implications. Walking around Walmart with an AR on your chest and wearing some sort of tacti-cool crap is a good way to look crazy. When you couple that with recent events, you can very easily cause alarm.


    has anyone posted the statutory language associated with this fellows charges
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    You are heading down a slippery slope.
    Basically he is charged with scaring people.
    While doing a legal activity.
    Just what can be open carried— or worn—and not scare someone?
    Pretty much goes with the shouting of Fire being free speech but not in a crowded theater
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    You are heading down a slippery slope.
    Basically he is charged with scaring people.
    While doing a legal activity.
    Just what can be open carried— or worn—and not scare someone?
    It's called, "Good Judgment".

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    Maybe it is time to amend the law to prohibit open carry.
    Which is my preference.
    Being from NY my alarm bell goes up when, while visiting out of state,I see anyone open carry anything, including a pocket knife.
    Next time I am in AZ and legally carrying concealed, I will draw down on anyone carrying any type of firearm, get him to drop prone and call 911.
    Any move he makes towards the gun will be his last.
    Because as far as I am concerned anyone who flashes a gun is intending to kill me.
    See what I mean by a slippery slope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailman View Post
    Pretty much goes with the shouting of Fire being free speech but not in a crowded theater
    Negative.
    Falsely shouting fire is evidence of intent to cause panic.
    Legally carrying a firearm in any manner that the lawful citizen chooses is evidence of freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    Negative.
    Falsely shouting fire is evidence of intent to cause panic.
    Legally carrying a firearm in any manner that the lawful citizen chooses is evidence of freedom.
    And it is freedom that the masses (and some in the gun community too) fear the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Temkin View Post
    Negative.
    Falsely shouting fire is evidence of intent to cause panic.
    Legally carrying a firearm in any manner that the lawful citizen chooses is evidence of freedom.
    Do you know what he may have said prior to doing it or what he may have posted on the internet (if anything)? Do you know if he made any spontaneous remarks while doing it? Do you know what he may have said since the incident? How do you know what his intent was or wasnt by watching a 30 second blip on the nightly news?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban View Post
    anyone might be scared by anything but someones claim of being scared, or alarmed is typically not the sole element of these sort of laws


    . . .


    has anyone posted the statutory language associated with this fellows charges
    I found this
    https://www.ksmu.org/post/heres-how-...-second-degree

    and this
    http://www.revisor.mo.gov/main/ViewC...px?chapter=574
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