Excellent explanation of the 21 foot principle by Dennis Tueller

Excellent explanation of the 21 foot principle by Dennis Tueller

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    Excellent explanation of the 21 foot principle by Dennis Tueller

    This video has been around for almost a year, but this morning was the first time I have seen it. Dennis Tueller, for whom the "Tueller Drill" was named, explains the issues in defending from a close range threat.

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    Thanks for calling it a principle instead of a rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Thanks for calling it a principle instead of a rule.
    He gives a very good analysis of why 21 feet is not a hard and fast "rule."
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    If you can give the 21 foot drill a try , I believe you will be surprised at the results , I was at about a 50% rate of winning this fight ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by flh View Post
    If you can give the 21 foot drill a try , I believe you will be surprised at the results , I was at about a 50% rate of winning this fight ...
    When we took an advanced pistol course from International Tactical Training (ITTS) in Los Angeles, they had a couple of moving targets (on a track) that come towards you very quickly, to practice this skill. My wife and I both managed to engage the targets before they closed to within striking distance, but you really have to hustle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    When we took an advanced pistol course from International Tactical Training (ITTS) in Los Angeles, they had a couple of moving targets (on a track) that come towards you very quickly, to practice this skill. My wife and I both managed to engage the targets before they closed to within striking distance, but you really have to hustle.
    Just curious , how you were dressed during the drill , cover garments etc .



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    Quote Originally Posted by flh View Post
    Just curious , how you were dressed during the drill , cover garments etc .
    I never practice or train without a cover garment. My wife was not wearing a cover garment
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    So I guess Lynard Skinard was wrong when they sung
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    Interesting video. It has been years since i have taken any tactical training.
    I really need to brush up on this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    This video has been around for almost a year, but this morning was the first time I have seen it. Dennis Tueller, for whom the "Tueller Drill" was named, explains the issues in defending from a close range threat.

    Excellent, worthwhile video. Set seventeen minutes aside and watch it.
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    I think his words about "getting offline" and "action beats reaction" are particularly important, even more than the distance and reaction issues. For the first idea, if someone is charging me, they are creating momentum and concentrating their balance on maintaining that momentum. If I were to give someone a gentle shove while they are standing still, they will probably recover from it. However, if I give someone charging a gentle shove off his line of momentum, he can go flying off his feet. It is all timing, but it is no more complicated to learn than catching a ball.

    For the second idea, Bruce Lee said words to the effect, "Determine when your opponent is going to strike, and you strike first." Cops can't always do that, but defenders can. If someone is presenting a real threat, the way to null out reaction time is to attack them. "Defending" will keep you "fighting on the back foot." If you are surprised, find a way to cover your vital areas, create space and then counter-attack. That counter-attack could include the gun. "Defending" against an attack means you are playing the game the attacker has started. Unless you are an absolutely top tier martial artist, it is hard to win an exchange an attacker has started. But if you can get even a little disengagement and immediately launch your own attack, then he is playing your game.
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    "The person acting has the advantage over the person reacting "

    That was my favorite quote of the video. Remember, when your training, you already know this "BG"(target) is coming fast, from 21 feet. Your ready for it and you still don't always "win".

    Out in the real world, where you're just going about your day, you don't know who, when, where, or why the the real BG is going to attack you.

    That's why I consider the gun in my pocket my primary, not my bug. When I go from "condition yellow to orange", my hand is in my pocket with a good firm grip on my 442 ready for a Lightening fast draw.

    This is what I practice the most over anything else, because I feel like this is by far the most likely scenario to play out for real in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    When we took an advanced pistol course from International Tactical Training (ITTS) in Los Angeles, they had a couple of moving targets (on a track) that come towards you very quickly, to practice this skill. My wife and I both managed to engage the targets before they closed to within striking distance, but you really have to hustle.
    Did you offline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    Did you offline?
    Pardon my density, but not sure exactly what your question is here? If you mean, were we using a simulator, no we were not. We were using real pistols with real ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Pardon my density, but not sure exactly what your question is here? If you mean, were we using a simulator, no we were not. We were using real pistols with real ammo.
    No. The proper tactic when one is being charged is to move laterally moving yourself offline to the attack. If you do not, you will lose every time. Just getting shots on target does not get it in the real world.
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