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    Question: no charges brought. Should there be charges for the ND/AD?

    Based on some of the strong opinions expressed in this thread. I am curious as to the answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertywheel View Post
    Question: no charges brought. Should there be charges for the ND/AD?

    Based on some of the strong opinions expressed in this thread. I am curious as to the answers.
    In every case? No. It should be based on what happened, why it happened, and the results. Sometimes crap just happens, a thumb slips when lowering a hammer, etc. It's a very impressive lesson to have a gun discharge unintentionally. I lean toward no harm, no foul, but that is not an absolute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertywheel View Post
    Question: no charges brought. Should there be charges for the ND/AD?

    Based on some of the strong opinions expressed in this thread. I am curious as to the answers.
    In this case a charge for a ND inside an eating and entertainment establishment seems warranted if existing county or city law prohibits discharge of a firearm outside of a firing range. I also wonder if there was any physical damage to the floor, or cleanup, that should be paid for by the idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertywheel View Post
    Question: no charges brought. Should there be charges for the ND/AD?

    Based on some of the strong opinions expressed in this thread. I am curious as to the answers.
    As @OldVet says, it is highly dependent on the circumstances. I've seen situations in which someone drove a car into a crowded restaurant, and no charges were filed. It would be ludicrous (and in some anti-gun jurisdictions, that would be a very kind description) to put someone in jail over an accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
    It must be hell being perfect when the rest of humanity is not.

    You didn't "fix" anything you violated the TOS by altering my post so I suggest you delete it.

    The fact is that most of the public is ignorant when it comes to firearms, they didn't grow up with them, they have little or no experience at all with them before getting their carry permit.

    It isn't our job to insult them, it is our job to educate and mentor them to become the best trained and most responsible gun owners they can be.

    As for your last, you have absolutely no basis in fact for making such a claim. You sure as heck can't speak for what the majority of instructors are teaching.
    I've never claimed to be perfect but I have been blessed with common sense. Common sense tells you that if you have no knowledge of something either don't mess with it or seek out the information you need to handle it safely, it's readily available. That's not an insult, that is advice to live by. Compare that to telling someone that screws up due to willful ignorance that it wasn't their fault, it was an accident. Now that's insulting because sparing feelings isn't educational. This isn't a kid's soccer game.

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    You're an instructor, what do you recommend to your students that have zero experience for a first handgun for range use and home protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    As @OldVet says, it is highly dependent on the circumstances. I've seen situations in which someone drove a car into a crowded restaurant, and no charges were filed. It would be ludicrous (and in some anti-gun jurisdictions, that would be a very kind description) to put someone in jail over an accident.
    Maybe not jailed but certainly substantially fined. If you drive a car into a restaurant or business you shouldn't be driving. I don't buy the AD bull. You have to put your finger on the trigger and pull it to fire a gun. Striker fired, hammer no hammer, safety no safety, single action, double action, SA/DBL action, revolver or semi auto, you made the choice, you have the responsibility to learn and understand your fire arm. Non of them are complex or difficult to understand as far as operation is concerned. If you have doubts, its easy to get training or ask questions. Wouldn't bother me a bit if that idiot had his license to carry revoked, that is the point when mandatory training should be enforced before being allowed to carry again.
    As OV said, depending on the situation. In this situation he should be fined, even made to serve time, in chucky cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrambler View Post
    Maybe not jailed but certainly substantially fined. If you drive a car into a restaurant or business you shouldn't be driving. I don't buy the AD bull. You have to put your finger on the trigger and pull it to fire a gun. Striker fired, hammer no hammer, safety no safety, single action, double action, SA/DBL action, revolver or semi auto, you made the choice, you have the responsibility to learn and understand your fire arm. Non of them are complex or difficult to understand as far as operation is concerned. If you have doubts, its easy to get training or ask questions. Wouldn't bother me a bit if that idiot had his license to carry revoked, that is the point when mandatory training should be enforced before being allowed to carry again.
    As OV said, depending on the situation. In this situation he should be fined, even made to serve time, in chucky cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MillennialNorth View Post
    I think of this scenario every time I see a gun with a clip attached. I always think "who would clip draw / carry a pistol especially one without a manual safety, jammed in your pants with nothing to cover the trigger?" Even bought a police trade j frame that had one on it. It went bye bye quick. There was a off duty state cop that shot himself in the butt/leg here in Michigan a few years ago at a parade. He was carrying a revolver without a holster in his waistband, according to the statement from his post commander. Somehow when getting out of his car, it went off. Apparently this kind of thing is more common than I'd have ever thought it'd be. Hopefully this guy was there with his kids, of some friends kids. Kind of a weird place for a grown man. Sure hope he learned a good lesson from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhauler34 View Post
    I think the same when someone refers to a magazine as a clip. They shouldn't have a gun let alone carry it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrambler View Post
    Maybe not jailed but certainly substantially fined. If you drive a car into a restaurant or business you shouldn't be driving. I don't buy the AD bull. You have to put your finger on the trigger and pull it to fire a gun. Striker fired, hammer no hammer, safety no safety, single action, double action, SA/DBL action, revolver or semi auto, you made the choice, you have the responsibility to learn and understand your fire arm. Non of them are complex or difficult to understand as far as operation is concerned. If you have doubts, its easy to get training or ask questions. Wouldn't bother me a bit if that idiot had his license to carry revoked, that is the point when mandatory training should be enforced before being allowed to carry again.
    As OV said, depending on the situation. In this situation he should be fined, even made to serve time, in chucky cheese.
    Use the correct terminology, it's an ND, not an AD. An AD is a mechanical failure and is quite rare nor involves human error.

    I find it hard to take comments seriously from someone who can't distinguish between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhauler34 View Post
    I think the same when someone refers to a magazine as a clip. They shouldn't have a gun let alone carry it.

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    I think people who say people shouldn't have a gun shouldn't have a gun either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    Use the correct terminology, it's an ND, not an AD. An AD is a mechanical failure and is quite rare nor involves human error.

    I find it hard to take comments seriously from someone who can't distinguish between the two.
    That's kind of my point, people calling a negligent discharge an accidental discharge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I think people who say people shouldn't have a gun shouldn't have a gun either.

    The Curmudgeon has spoken.
    You could be right. All kinds of people own guns that have no business doing so. Heck some even go as far as joining a gun club. Here are some pics of some posts at the end of our 10 m range. Now this is blatant evidence that these DA's have no business owning a gun. Scary thing is they may be on the line the same time I am.

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    Well, we can't all be one-hole wonders. Looks like they're working diligently on that "well regulated" part of 2A.
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