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Armed High School Students?

This is a discussion on Armed High School Students? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Havok Not walking around armed, while on base, stateside. That changes on deployment. Those same people are bringing rifles into the DFAC. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Not walking around armed, while on base, stateside. That changes on deployment. Those same people are bringing rifles into the DFAC.
    ...entering the DFAC only after nearly shooting the mandatory clearing barrel station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    And how much supervision did you have there?
    The argument that teenagers can serve in the military is flawed in multiple ways. Even after being filtered through the induction process and basic training troops are still closely supervised by NCOs and officers. Even with that level of supervision when not deployed they are not walking around armed. Arms rooms and armories exist for a reason.

    There were four of us on the boat. We were all enlisted and the oldest was twenty-one years old. Several teenagers I served with in Viet Nam were more mature and responsible than many middle-aged men I have known since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    ...entering the DFAC only after nearly shooting the mandatory clearing barrel station.
    No different than any other idiot having an ND in their house. Get rid of the clearing barrel and it’s no longer an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    There were four of us on the boat. We were all enlisted and the oldest was twenty-one years old. Several teenagers I served with in Viet Nam were more mature and responsible than many middle-aged men I have known since.
    Audie Murphy had accomplished all of his amazing WWII feats before reaching the age of 20, all while serving as the on-site adult leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    No different than any other idiot having an ND in their house. Get rid of the clearing barrel and it’s no longer an issue.
    100% agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    Uncle Sam trusted me with an M-2 50 BMG (Ma Deuce) in Viet Nam when I was eighteen.
    But Uncle Sam didn't let you have one when you were back home.

    While noting that there are teenagers in the military who are trusted with weapons, it should be pointed out that those same military personnel of many ages are often very much not trusted with weapons when not in theater. Part of the horrible irony of the Fort Hood shooting was that the Army was saved by base police because the regular soldiers were not allowed weapons and ammo, were largely not trusted with weapons and ammo on base outside of tightly supervised or very specific activities. Prior to 9/11, it wasn't uncommon for military guards to have weapons but not ammunition on many bases stateside.
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    So the obvious solution is that everyone should be able to carry, as opposed to using a gun control law signed by Bill Clinton as the basis for why other people shouldn’t be able to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    ...entering the DFAC only after nearly shooting the mandatory clearing barrel station.
    Depends on the DFAC. Certain units are locked and loaded at all times and they have their own DFAC(s).

    Clearing barrels were a bone of contention in our unit when visiting other FOBs, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Why is a school any different than anywhere else? Safety is clearly not guaranteed in a school. On top of students and teachers being forbidden from carrying, nobody is allowed to, or responsible for protecting them.
    I just find it incredulous that someone believes high school students have the brain capacity to handle carrying a weapon in schools. School violence is much different than when most of went to school. A time when we settled disagreements with our fists. Like I said before. There may be a few in each class that are capable of carrying but not many. My many years in LE and dealing with high school kids will never allow me to believe otherwise.
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    Even if there were some HS students with the wherewithal to handle CCW, all it takes is for some miscreants to discover these kids carrying, overpower them and grab their gun. NO THANK YOU. Not in this universe. Which is another reason why I think arming teachers is a stupid idea. I have nothing against professional armed presence in schools but certainly NOT those who spend most of their time in very close proximity to students and whose primary function does not involve armed security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    I just find it incredulous that someone believes high school students have the brain capacity to handle carrying a weapon in schools. School violence is much different than when most of went to school. A time when we settled disagreements with our fists. Like I said before. There may be a few in each class that are capable of carrying but not many. My many years in LE and dealing with high school kids will never allow me to believe otherwise.
    I feel like this post came straight out of the moms demand action playbook. “You shouldn’t be able to carry a gun because billy isn’t responsible. I know you’re a cop, but you guys are the same age, so we just can’t take the risk”.
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    I know someone from MD that carried since age 12 or so. It was a very dangerous school, and still is. I believe he is now retired, just to give an idea how long ago the commie state has been dangerous.

    And what are students supposed to do in Coward County, where the Sherrif's department gives shooters unhindered shooting time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavesYourUncle View Post
    Even if there were some HS students with the wherewithal to handle CCW, all it takes is for some miscreants to discover these kids carrying, overpower them and grab their gun. NO THANK YOU. Not in this universe. Which is another reason why I think arming teachers is a stupid idea. I have nothing against professional armed presence in schools but certainly NOT those who spend most of their time in very close proximity to students and whose primary function does not involve armed security.
    Teachers should be denied their natural right to self defense because they’re in close proximity to minors who may try to kill them? Sounds like justification to carry to me, not a valid reason to deny their rights.
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