This is a discussion on Are pocket/sub compact guns still a viable option in the age of mass shooters within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by forester58 Lots of states don't require a license from the Government to carry (12, I believe). Should we not be carrying? 10% ...
You donít have to be undergunned even with pocket pistols.
You can carry two, with greater discretion than even just one belt carried gun.
You can carry multiple reloads, often more easily than even just one larger double stack mag.
I frequently carry two pocketed LCPs...plus a spare mag...plus two more in my briefcase or on my ankle...plus a ballistic panel in that briefcase
So if you get creative you can be well armed even with smaller guns.
That said, my only goal in a shooting is to get my family out of there.
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I've been giving a lotta thought about this, and I'm really beginning to believe that the other means of protecting ourselves is to secure a defensive shotgun in the trunk, in a locked case, or locked soft case, with a box of slugs and Number 4 buck...... My other preference is to carry a full size Handgun (Beretta92FS / 92 compact/ Sig 226 or similar, or a 1911.... 3 spare mags, AND a few extra mags / ammo in the trunk ..... Just my own feelings... YMMV..
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Seriously, I don't give my carry choice a second thought in light of an active shooter report. I either carry a J-frame w/38 special or a Defender .45. I can hit targets at 25 yards...but I've never had my targets shooting back at me with a long gun, and I'm not going to trade rounds with a long gun. The only situations where I would have to engage and go forward are 1) if I'm separated from my loved ones and I need to get to them; or 2) I'm cornered.
I'm a civilian. I'm not a cop wearing a vest and with fellow officers as backup. I'm not ex-military with combat experience. I'm quite confident I will be trying to get the heck out of Dodge.
As for your Walmart meat cooler, I recommend you know where the entry to the back of the store is, and figure out how to get from the meat cooler to the back exit....if you have a vantage point at quite some distance at every direction, you can also be seen at quite some distance from every direction.
Relax. Worry more about the inattentive or drunk driver smashing into you than the random active mass shooter.
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We practice avoidance of stupid places, things and people with in reason. That's how I live my life again with in reason. At some point you are going to be at risk that's life. To a certain extent one can manage the exposure to risk but with that said it may not be your day. We all have to do the mundane things such as shopping and etcetera-etcetera. To a degree I can be selective of what, where and when, while conducting my daily affairs. I go armed but I suffer no illusion's, that is to say I'm not "Walter Mitty". Life is a gift what you do with it and how you conduct yourself determines the quality of your life. I can't and won't live in fear everyday of my being, but I can be prudent.
Any gun that goes bang and bullets go out the barrel is viable in the event of a mass shooting. But viable does not mean suited to a task. it only means it is feasible. Feasible and effective are different things. A 380 with 2.5 inch barrel is feasible in such a confrontation but it is not likely effective unless you are close enough to get a potetially incapacitating shot. A compact with a 4inch barrel is likely to be more effective at even a greater distance, and a subcompact with 3 inch barrell is going to fall in between.
My EDC is a PPS M2 loaded with 147 gr JHP. Could I incapacitate a perp with that gun? Sure, if the conditions are right. Will they be right? Who knows. However, I am not going to change my EDC because of mass shootings. I am prepared for possible everyday situations not for unlikely rare situations. If I were unfortunate enough to be in a mass shooting situation I am not going to take on a rifle in a pitched battle. I prefer to live. I am not going to make a futile attempt to accomplsh something I cannot because of ballistics, logisistics, etc. If I have the chance to intervene it will only be because I am close enough, not under fire, and accurate enough to get it done with a couple shots. If you cannot do it with a couple shots you are likley to be in a firefight with a rifle. That is bad,
It is important to note that the average mass shooting lasts for 2 minutes or less so generally there is little time to act defensively by an offensive maneuver. any move would have to be spontaneous including the go-no go decision.
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I carry a pocket pistol .... as a 2nd option with a larger pistol IWB.
Pistol in weak hand front pocket gives me option to put my hand on it without revealing I'm carrying and quick access if dominant hand unavailable.
I've been carrying a 2nd option pistol in pocket plus a larger pistol IWB for awhile.
Minimal attire conceals a Glock 19 + spare mag + Kahr PM40
I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
"Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.
Of course a snubbie or pocket pistol are still viable.
Even if you miss, most of these mass shooter turds are going to go commit suicide at the first sign of armed resistance.
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Nothing will disrupt an active shooter faster than someone charging forward with gun(s) blazing.
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