This is a discussion on The .380 round for SD within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by hardluk1 glockman Keep telling your self a 45acp has a history of being a fight stopper with non expanding ammo at low ...
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I thought we were talking about 380 ACP. If that's still the case, then penetration is more important than expansion. I want something that is going to reach the CNS and vitals. You know, the important stuff.
If I'm in a fight for my life with a bodybuilder or a 6' 400 pound BG, I don't want something that expands to .85" but comes up 4 inches short of hitting anything important. 😟
I've tested a bunch of bullets like that ^, HST in 9mm/40/45, Ranger in 40/45, Golden Saber in 9mm/45 - all expanded.
380 however failed to expand when shot from LCP, Gold Dot exited the back of the 4th jug, non expanding bullets penetrate like FMJ.
For perspective, 357 Sig Gold Dot and 10mm 155 XTP expanded and stopped inside the 4th jug.
I shot a broadside deer with a 10mm 155 XTP, bullet went through shoulder, heart, exited; I did not recover it, but 1 1/4'' hole is indicative of expansion.
I have seen pics posted by @glockman10mm of expanded bullets recovered from deer, maybe not a perfect flower, but obvious expansion.
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The thread is about .380 pistols, right?
OK, then. Went to the range this morning, practiced with my 9mm, then pulled out the LCPII and worked with it for awhile. If I can put 95% of my rounds in a less than 3" circle varying my distances to target between 10-30 feet and drawing/firing pretty dang quickly ---- I'm not going to walk around sweating, worrying, and feeling like some mythical Terminator is gonna attack me and not flinch at 6 rounds going in his face or heart.
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I'm late to the party, but I'll put in my two cents. The only time I would carry a .380 would be in a highly non-permissive environment where it would be the only thing I could conceivably carry. And then with as tiny a gun as possible (think Seecamp.) Other than that, it would be at least 9mm, and if possible, .40. Given the advent of really small subcompact 9mm, the need for .380 as greatly diminished.
Can't believe grown men would use a fmj bullet over an expanding design . Even if the expanded bullet does not expand much it does more damage than a fmj but give todays bullet designs like hst and range t series bullets .
forester58 Sound like you might be one of those shoot quick and hope kind of guys when it comes to Hunting !! Most trail a lot of deer ? A quality expanding bullet when placed properly does not damage meat that your going to eat at handgun velocitys . I've used 170gr sp in a 357mag at 1400fps on deer , well hit too with a high on the heart and both lugs but that deer did not drop like when a 240gr 44mag hp at slightly higher velocity when shoot in the same area. . No eatable meat lost and I watched the deer hit the ground . Still a 180gr 21bn swc worked well on hogs but bullets hit the shoulder or head will bring down a large hog .
Any how when talking about a 380acp , not really any great options here . Just keep pulling the trigger to there is not more threat or your no more threat !!
I've used my personal defense 40sw loads 155gr gd at 1300fps and my EDC on a couple deer that show up under me over the years while sitting in a tree stand when they show up under me . Both deer fall ether in place or with in 50 or 60 feet . Both shots paced thru 17+ of tissue expending well but lung and or heart damage along with some bone .
Not going to debate the 380 as its a 380 after all special when carried in some micro sized pistol . I find no reason to carry a 380acp when I already carry a 40 or 45 with todays find bullet choices I use those fmj on the range only .
BUt since this sorry tread was about the 380acp and to keep whiny wavygravy happy !! If a 380 was my only choice for a handgun do to other choices being illegal make it a bersa thunder plus with 15+1 and bullets ??? No idea . But until that happens I'll carry a 9mm or a 40sw or a 45 acp for personal defense . HA
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With current bullet designs I've settled on either .380 FMJ FP or the Xtreme Defender bullets for my carry mags as meeting the always penetrating requirement while maximizing damage.
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