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This is a discussion on Are You Willing To Disarm As a Condition of Attendance? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bikenut According to a learned attorney in Michigan (not me) one only needs to be notified that guns are not allowed on ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    According to a learned attorney in Michigan (not me) one only needs to be notified that guns are not allowed on private property. That notification can be in the form of a sign or it could be the property owner/his representative asking or telling someone to leave.

    So if there is a no guns sign that means the sign serves as notification and the property owner or his representative doesn't have to say a thing but can simply call the police and have the person arrested for trespass.

    I personally obey all laws concerning carrying a gun. Gun laws and trespass laws. Laws are laws and they all impose penalties for disobeying them.

    But there is another consideration for me. As folks have probably noticed I fervently support the right to keep and bear arms. However, I would be a hypocrite if I were to expect other folks to respect my right to bear arms while I disrespect their equally as important to them right to ban guns on/in their private property. "Open to the public" doesn't mean anyone and everyone is invited in. It means only those who agree to abide by the rules/policies set by the property owner is invited in. All others are trespassing whether they get caught at it or not.

    I do not agree with the attitude of "I respect rights except for the rights of others that I don't like or think that just because they can doesn't mean they should because it inconveniences me."
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    None of that was a part of my topic, which is straight-forward enough, and is a road I don't plan on going down on this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
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    According to a learned attorney in Michigan (not me) one only needs to be notified that guns are not allowed on private property. That notification can be in the form of a sign or it could be the property owner/his representative asking or telling someone to leave.

    So if there is a no guns sign that means the sign serves as notification and the property owner or his representative doesn't have to say a thing but can simply call the police and have the person arrested for trespass.

    I personally obey all laws concerning carrying a gun. Gun laws and trespass laws. Laws are laws and they all impose penalties for disobeying them.

    But there is another consideration for me. As folks have probably noticed I fervently support the right to keep and bear arms. However, I would be a hypocrite if I were to expect other folks to respect my right to bear arms while I disrespect their equally as important to them right to ban guns on/in their private property. "Open to the public" doesn't mean anyone and everyone is invited in. It means only those who agree to abide by the rules/policies set by the property owner is invited in. All others are trespassing whether they get caught at it or not.

    I do not agree with the attitude of "I respect rights except for the rights of others that I don't like or think that just because they can doesn't mean they should because it inconveniences me.".
    None of that was a part of my topic, which is straight-forward enough, and is a road I don't plan on going down on this thread.
    The title is:

    Are You Willing To Disarm As a Condition of Attendance?

    and many folks offered their reasons/logic to support their decision when they responded to your topic.

    I responded to your topic in the same manner as others have. I gave my answer and my reasons. And, as far as I am concerned, they stand unless there is some forum rule that requires folks to only respond in ways the OP considers acceptable.
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    I usually wonít go anywhere I have to disarm.

    A recent exception was the airport. I left my pistol, mags and knife in the truck, and took my cane into the terminal.

    Edit: I donít actually ďneedĒ a cane to walk that often.
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    Even though I lost my mom to cancer when I was a sophomore in high school, I always remember her telling me to always check before I walked out of the house and make sure everything was zipped up.

    As an adult who has lived through 7 decades, 2 centuries, and 2 millenniums, and remembering her advice, my philosophy is closely akin to that concerning firearms. Namely, concealed means concealed. I never announce to anyone when or where I am carrying, and certainly would never announce that I am unarmed. As to any further elaboration, I plead the Fifth Amendment.

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    Work, post office, kids school, courthouse etc I disarm. Otherwise I avoid places I can't carry. Yes I carry at church. So does my wife and a few of our friends there. I wouldn't go to a church where they banned carry.
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    I donít want to go where Iím disarmed. Good with concealed = concealed. Funny thing and related, Iíve learned my best posture lends best concealment too. Hmm, unexpected benefit. Good with that too.

    And good with respecting the signed requirement. Our local shopping mall has a no weapons sign on their west entrance. There are five other entrances and all are unsigned. Iím good with walking through any other entrance than the signed one.
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    No. Couple of exceptions would be if seeing the President, not necessarily Trump, and work related.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick McC. View Post
    I usually wonít go anywhere I have to disarm.

    A recent exception was the airport. I left my pistol, mags and knife in the truck, and took my cane into the terminal.

    Edit: I donít actually ďneedĒ a cane to walk that often.
    My cane made the Israel trip. I don't need one to walk, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    My cane made the Israel trip. I don't need one to walk, either.
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    Some people seemingly act as if having to remove a firearm is some sort of personal trauma, a level of victimization, censure or banishment of rights. Honestly, I don't get it.

    I do not feel victimized by allowing someone to have dominion over their private property or uniquely sensitive facility(public or not). That's just me.


    If I see a NO GUNS sign, I abide by the prohibition or simply not go there. The only real issue I would take with prohibition would be someone telling me I cant own a gun or cant go armed on my own property. Taking issue with it mean I don't approve but regardless of whether I approve or not, I will abide by the law.

    Speaking just for myself, the gun is not the center of my universe, its not a personality trait or a self actualization need. I do not see going unarmed on the property of another to be any big deal at all. I think nothing of it.

    As I said earlier, if I have an issue with it, I simply will not go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionround View Post
    I work in a Federal building and don't carry to work. There have been break ins in the parking lot where I park and so I don't carry to/from work because I am not willing to lock my gun in my car.

    As a general rule, nowhere else. I avoid stores, movies, etc. where disarming is a condition. I have not been subject to other situations where that has occurred, but I guess I will cross that bridge when I come to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    According to a learned attorney in Michigan (not me) one only needs to be notified that guns are not allowed on private property. That notification can be in the form of a sign or it could be the property owner/his representative asking or telling someone to leave.

    So if there is a no guns sign that means the sign serves as notification and the property owner or his representative doesn't have to say a thing but can simply call the police and have the person arrested for trespass.

    I personally obey all laws concerning carrying a gun. Gun laws and trespass laws. Laws are laws and they all impose penalties for disobeying them.

    But there is another consideration for me. As folks have probably noticed I fervently support the right to keep and bear arms. However, I would be a hypocrite if I were to expect other folks to respect my right to bear arms while I disrespect their equally as important to them right to ban guns on/in their private property. "Open to the public" doesn't mean anyone and everyone is invited in. It means only those who agree to abide by the rules/policies set by the property owner is invited in. All others are trespassing whether they get caught at it or not.

    I do not agree with the attitude of "I respect rights except for the rights of others that I don't like or think that just because they can doesn't mean they should because it inconveniences me.".
    Every State's laws vary .... in Florida "No Guns" signs have NO weight of law behind them, you have to be verbally told to leave the premise.
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    Special events, sure. That is assuming the event is something and at a location I would willingly go to in the first place.
    Stuff like movies or shopping there is no reason to as there are so many options where carry is allowed by management.
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    I generally do not go to places where I have to disarm. Not because I refuse to go to such places, but because I live a really boring life.

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