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This is a discussion on Are you carrying a gun? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I don't give much thought to extreme concealment here in FL. The law says it has to be concealed "from ordinary view," which means covered. ...

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    I don't give much thought to extreme concealment here in FL. The law says it has to be concealed "from ordinary view," which means covered. IWB or OWB under a loose shirt is about as concealed as I get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Encore2016 View Post
    I've been 'made' once that I know of over the years. Early on, wearing a fanny pack sort of thing ( I know ...). Another fanny pack wearer came around a corner and about slammed into me. We both stood back, locked our eyes on the fanny packs, had a quick 'I know what you got there' moment and went about our business.
    You ran into Nutnfancy while you were out shopping ? Cool.
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    Are you carrying a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban View Post

    ps: I do remember about 10 years ago, some guy who I suspect was a loss prevention or something- was following me around one of the big box stores. When I was sure he was following me, I kindly placed a few items in his cart. He didn't follow me after that
    I don’t KNOW this was a Home Depot, but it sure sounds like one.

    EDIT: Wal-Mart. Wow. I walk too fast for any Wal-Martian to follow me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    My point isn't so much if people who know what to look for spot you as it is how poorly do you have to be concealing before some random soccer mom figures it out?
    That is an exercise in game theory. You have a lot of variables here that all effect the other variables in uncertain, undetermined ways.

    For the most part, I would conclude based on my experience that:

    1) The gun must be obvious to the casual observer;

    2) The gun must be unmistakable as a gun, not as another object;

    3) The potential observers are paying or not paying attention at some unknown level of consciousness;

    4) There are an unknown number of observers,

    5) the environment may or may not have unrelated levels of distraction (e.g. museum versus cell phone versus carnival versus rock concert in the dark); and

    6) the observers are not impaired

    Once you figure out the variables, and the effect on the others, if any, you can get down to some serious game theory.

    Otherwise, it is a wild guess and a waste of time.
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    There is a scene in the John Wayne film "Branningan." Wayne plays a Detective Lieutenant who is sent to London to escort a mobster back to the US. He meets his contact, a Scotland Yard Superintendent, in his London office. The Superintendent says words to the effect, "I notice you are carrying a .38 Special Colt Diamondback with the 4" barrel under your jacket," which he supposedly deduced just by looking at the bulge! Those Brits are really observant!

    I not only have never had anyone notice I was CC'ing, but only once has anyone mentioned or shown recognition "tells" that I they saw I was OC'ing!
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    My clothing choices have ranged from a green bag (USAF flight suit) to my normal dress nowadays which is blue jeans and either a button down or T-shirt. Not once in over 40 years of carrying have I been asked if I am armed.
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    Carried a gun all of my life and never been asked...but, to be honest, I am not jumping through one single hoop in order to not be made, on most days...I DON'T CARE.
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    We just got home from spending five hours in the home of Liberal friends.
    We had lots of good conversation.
    I stood around, I sat down, I ate my tea, I helped bus dishes.
    Jean knows I was carrying (OWB at about 3:00), but our hosts still don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    My clothing choices have ranged from a green bag (USAF flight suit) to my normal dress nowadays which is blue jeans and either a button down or T-shirt. Not once in over 40 years of carrying have I been asked if I am armed.
    Are you armed?

    Reset your clock now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Are you armed?

    Reset your clock now.
    Right now no but my EDC 1911 is in the kitchen, I have a S&W Model 31 on my computer desk and a Taurus Judge here in the living room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Right now no but my EDC 1911 is in the kitchen.
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    The only time I've ever been "made", I wasn't even carrying!

    A couple years ago, I went to a gun show in LC, and I was wearing a Sig T-shirt. It just happened that a musician friend of mine was performing at the same site that day, in a different part of the complex, so I walked over to catch the show. The hall where the music was playing had a "No Guns" sign.

    After a few minutes, I was approached by two cops who said they'd "had a report" that I was carrying a gun in the concert hall, and they asked me if I was armed. I said "No". They said OK, and left.

    With hindsight, I thought of quite a few responses I could have offered, but with more hindsight, it's probably just as well that I didn't.
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    So my question is barring a major wardrobe malfunction do people get "made" that frequently? Is it really a thing?
    My guess is, generally no. Most people don't notice even openly-carried sidearms, at least not from what I've witnessed here in AZ. I frequently keep an eye open for signs of concealed carry. mostly for amusement purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    My guess is, generally no. Most people don't notice even openly-carried sidearms, at least not from what I've witnessed here in AZ. I frequently keep an eye open for signs of concealed carry. mostly for amusement purposes.
    I was prompted to start this thread by the YouTube video that I referenced in the first post. I've considered linking to it but since I'm speaking in a derogatory manner about the guy I am not sure that's the right thing to do and I probably won't.

    I'm not sure how to clearly communicate what I'm thinking. Most of the time when somebody thinks that they've caught somebody out carrying a gun they really don't have any way to verify it so they don't ever really know if they were right or not.
    But in this case we know that the people were right because the YouTuber verified that they caught him.

    So the first thing I thought was he must have been phenomenally bad at concealing that day if some random person who he gave the impression wasn't somebody that knew what to look for got it right on the first guess.

    That led me to wonder how common is this? I mean other than that one time that's never happened to me. The only exception would be times when I was doing security for the church and somebody would ask me if I was carrying a gun but that's a situation where it's a pretty pretty reasonable guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    I don't think you read the opening post. The person I'm talking about was so obvious that some random soccer mom walk up to him in Walmart and ask him if he's carrying a gun. That's not paranoia, that's stupidity.
    I just watched a YouTube video in which the YouTuber tells us he's shopping at Walmart with his family when he notices two people (random couple not thugs) following him. Eventually he asks them if there's something he can help them with and they tell him they noticed the bulge and were trying to figure out it was a gun or not. He tells them it's a colostomy bag and that's the end of the video.
    I read the OP alright. Just how obvious was it? Did the video show the bulge? Care to post the video for my education?
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