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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    More permits issued in California? Unless all those permits are going to Democrats who might change their votes, the number of permits doesn't mean a whole lot relative to voting.

    - that's exactly what is happening
    - people are sick of crime (ie many blue voters)
    - they go to get a ccw

    - in doing so they do INDEED 'turn red'
    - then they vote red

    - that's the trend that I am indeed seeing
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - that's exactly what is happening
    - people are sick of crime (ie many blue voters)
    - they go to get a ccw

    - in doing so they do INDEED 'turn red'
    - then they vote red

    - that's the trend that I am indeed seeing
    You don't need a trend, you need a tidal wave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    You don't need a trend, you need a tidal wave.
    - agree
    - BUT a tidal wave HAS TO START SOMEWHERE
    - All I am reporting on is PROGRESS in the right direction.

    - We will get there

    - it's actually kinda interesting.. the more people who get fed up and leave CA without a fight the more people leftover in CA who actually DO put up a fight... and that gets things done
    - of course it will take time
    - but it is indeed probable



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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - no
    - this is what I mean:
    - argue if it's real or not... doesn't matter, its the reality the media doesn't show the masses...
    Sorry, starlights, it's not "the reality the media doesn't show the masses," nor does it lead to any form of improved understanding or enlightenment with respect to the situation.

    Your claims are not grounded in fact. In fact, your map appears to be of those districts where Republicans outnumber Democrats (red) and vice versa in blue, with competitive districts in white.

    Here's your fallacy: Districts don't vote. Voters vote. Depending on the distribution of people, a party could easily hold 90% of the districts in a state while still housing just 20% of the population. In California, however, districts are roughly sized by voter population. Thus, in heavily populated areas, districts are quite small. In sparsely populated areas, they're quite large.

    Your map clearly shows a count of 21 Republican districts out of 80 districts total. That's just 26.25%, close to the voter registration database figure of 23.6%.

    Even your own map proves your allegations to be false!

    The Voter Registration statistics published by the California Secretary of State's office is routinely verified by a number of independent third parties, not to mention by a number of people from each of the parties.

    It corroborates your own map and together they reveal the low to mid 20's percentages for Republicans. Your claim of 60% is very much in error.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - agree
    - BUT a tidal wave HAS TO START SOMEWHERE
    Even tidal waves need water, and there aren't enough conservatives left in California to make a difference.

    All I am reporting on is PROGRESS in the right direction.

    - We will get there
    I hope so.

    it's actually kinda interesting.. the more people who get fed up and leave CA without a fight the more people leftover in CA who actually DO put up a fight... and that gets things done
    - of course it will take time
    True.

    but it is indeed probable
    False.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - that's exactly what is happening
    So you are seeing a similar growth in the Republican party to indicate these people are changing their voting status? Or is it that you think because people got some guns and permits that they will change their vote?

    I would like to see the data on this trend you are seeing. Carry permits do not require political information last I checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - no
    - the majority DOES VOTE
    - but the votes 'count more' in high-rent cities such as SF, LA, and SD -- the same way NYC controls NY State despite the majority of the state being red
    So you are saying that geographically, 60% of CA is Red, but as pointed out, districts don't vote, people do. The votes in SF, LA, SD don't count more, but they do have more votes that count.

    Looking at registered voters in CA, 8.6 million are Democrat and 4.7 million are Republican. How is it the Republicans hold the majority???

    I don't see the Republicans being in the majority. Their numbers seem to be in the dumper. https://ktla.com/2018/05/10/percenta...-report-shows/
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    Keep up the good fight, Starlights. You're going the right direction but that is an uphill battle.

    Gun rights, IMO, are lost in increments - kinda the death by a thousand cuts concept. I think California has done exactly that - CCW is one piece of that (gun rights) pie. Reclaiming them is really tough once lost - Colorado is seeing this too.

    As the liberal socialists pass laws to limit our rights, we see CCW applications and gun sales increase. Hopefully the pendulum is moving back to our side. I'm not looking for any tidal wave but steady growth. We're at about 390,000 CCW's with some really big jumps lately, and steady rate of around 2% growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - this is the same as someone claiming to be from New York City while living in Wyoming.
    - I don't know why you disdain CA because you never said why
    - But I didn't run (easy way out)
    - Instead WE CALIFORNIANS who have STAYED HERE have been talking to our Sheriff's, talking to the community, being active in the community, and supporting 2A through actions other than 'running to Arizona'

    - results? The title of this tread. Sheriffs in CA are starting to 'compete' (off the record of course) to see who can issue the most CCWs to please their constituents..
    - prolly wasnt like that when you were here
    - but guess who helped make those changes
    - the ones who stated in california and expressed thier 2a love to the county sheriffs...





    :)
    Good for you. I mean that not sarcasm but,living in CA was my parents choice,not mine so I escaped. Still not a place I want to live even today. I hope you guys turn it around but, I am too close to my end to fight it when you as a state keep electing morons. I want to enjoy freedom for the time I have left and fighting an uphill battle is a young mans game.
    While your "making progress" prying some more permits away from the clutches of a totalitarian government I live where no permits or permissions are needed to live as a free man my remaining years. My life, my choice same as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    Good for you. I mean that not sarcasm but,living in CA was my parents choice,not mine so I escaped. Still not a place I want to live even today. I hope you guys turn it around but, I am too close to my end to fight it when you as a state keep electing morons. I want to enjoy freedom for the time I have left and fighting an uphill battle is a young mans game.
    While your "making progress" prying some more permits away from the clutches of a totalitarian government I live where no permits or permissions are needed to live as a free man my remaining years. My life, my choice same as you.

    - we're trying!
    - check out this news from Fresno today:

    New technology allows CCW holders to register unlimited amount of weapons in Fresno Co.
    https://abc30.com/society/ccw-holder...no-co/5672702/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    So you are seeing a similar growth in the Republican party to indicate these people are changing their voting status? Or is it that you think because people got some guns and permits that they will change their vote?

    I would like to see the data on this trend you are seeing. Carry permits do not require political information last I checked.
    You're asking the right graphic. The data, however, has already been provided via the CA SoS voter registration statistics (second of my posts, below). In 2009, GOP had 31.1% of the vote. In 2019, it was down to 23.6%.

    The rate of decline as significantly accelerated, from -0.6% in 2011 to -6.5% in 2013, -7.5% 2017, and -8.9% in 2019.

    Numbers don't lie. It's getting worse, fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlights View Post
    - we're trying!
    You're playing right into their gun-confiscating hands.

    - check out this news from Fresno today: New technology allows CCW holders to register unlimited amount of weapons in Fresno Co.
    Please explain how registration is in any way, shape, manner or form permitted by our Second Amendment.

    While you're at it, knowing that registration leads to confiscation, what your Fresno sheriff admitted is occurring in San Francisco, please let us know how well confiscation has helped societies in the past.

    You might recognize some of these people:

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    And if you don't recognize them, then perhaps you'll recognize some of these key names in history:

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    Two weeks ago I had to renew my PA LTCF. The clerk at the sheriff's office told me that it might take longer than usual to get the approval because the number of permit applications had increased by 20% over last year. My renewal took 14 days instead of the customary ten. 5 years for $20. No one in PA is kept away by the cost, and PA is a shall issue state. Unless you fail NICS ir PICS (PA database) you get a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    So you are seeing a similar growth in the Republican party to indicate these people are changing their voting status? Or is it that you think because people got some guns and permits that they will change their vote?

    I would like to see the data on this trend you are seeing. Carry permits do not require political information last I checked.

    - yes that's exactly what I'm seeing
    - a blue sheriff wont hand out CCWs
    - a red sheriff will
    - the PEOPLE through thier VOTES have changed many sheriffs from blue to red. SAN DIEGO COUNTY being the most politically significant county

    - this represents a change in public votes
    - again these are steps
    - LA and SF are still very blue

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post



    Please explain how registration is in any way, shape, manner or form permitted by our Second Amendment.

    While you're at it, knowing that registration leads to confiscation, what your Fresno sheriff admitted is occurring in San Francisco, please let us know how well confiscation has helped societies in the past.

    - nobody has a tin-foil hat on out here
    - noboy is 'confiscating guns'
    - there are ZILLIONS of registered firearms in CA -- so what?

    - is the illuminati coming to confiscate them?

    - if one removes the tin-foil hat reality becomes clearer:
    - CA firearms sales have gone UP
    - CA CCW permits have gone UP
    - CA restrictions on CCW regulations have gone DOWN
    - outside of SF and LA the state is geographically RED

    - it is NOT an uphill battle
    - all of the weak 'im running from CA waaaah! waaaah!' people have LEFT CA
    - and that actually leaves the PASSIONATE people in the state who won't run, but will actually take political action (vote, be involved in the community, voice opinions, talk to sheriffs, etc)

    - ironically this progress in CA is due to the culling of the 'I hate CA, im running away' crowd...

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    And if you don't recognize them, then perhaps you'll recognize some of these key names in history:

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    - too much tin-foil...

    - NOBODY said anything about 'confiscating' anything...




    - ^ California is #2 in the nation, just behind Texas, in economic impact from the firearms industry
    - if you can't deduce what 'economic impact' means it means GUN SALES

    - CA sells more guns annually than TEXAS!
    - CA sells over 1.3 MILLION per year durp!

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