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This is a discussion on On My Way To The Mall... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY Good article. Thanks. You're welcome amigo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    Good article. Thanks.
    You're welcome amigo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    Not surprised at all...Trying to convey that i agree you as well as others....My thread back in July pretty much covered
    what we are debating here...Including the part about a quick trip to the store
    "It's like dťjŗ vu all over again"
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    To stay on topic, only real "mall" I go to is "the Galleria", which as of late, seems to have had an "uptick" in crime. In general, it's a "very densely packed" place (& a target from criminals, knowing "that's where the money is"). In general, I avoid these places like the plague. BUT, there are a couple of places I shop that require I go "THERE". My carry, SAME AS ALWAYS. To think that "Murphy" is selective is "BAD SOP"! Right now, sitting here in shorts, I've got my XD subcompact .40 in my pocket. Fixing to go ck. mail at community mail box, & will probably stick with just that. Stray dogs are more my concern when doing that. To all here, do what you think is right.

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    @OD* -- I'll thank you for the article as well. Good read, a good critique of Ellifritz's study. It clears up some of the questions I had about it. It reminded me that the percentages of "incapacitation" regardless of caliber are generally because of the "give up because of being shot by anything" factor. Yes, most attackers are going to stop after being shot -- maybe not so much a determined one after being shot by, say, a .380, and maybe not before bashing my head in.
    It's all about my assessment of risk. Of course when it all boils down to it I instinctively think a 9mm with quality HP will do more damage than a .380. Then again, I can get a pocket gun on target more quickly. Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    Okay, now it's time to start the caliber war. You're welcome.

    Why does anyone carry a .40 caliber when .45 ACP has less recoil and better stopping power?

    Flame suit on....
    If I had my way, invoking "caliber war" would be prohibited, there is no such thing.
    All calibers from 380 - 9mm - 357 Sig - 40 - 45 - 10mm have some sort of advantage.
    Even 380 (which I no longer have a need for) has the advantage of being easily pocketable / concealable for when one can "do no better".

    40 rather than 45 is a fair question.
    I have a Glock 30SF which is approximately the same size as the 23 I've been carrying.
    Do I think 40 HST will do equivalent damage as 45 HST (assuming same shot placement and both expand)? Nope.
    If I was under a 10 round limit, I'd carry the 30SF - if limited to 10 rounds may as well have larger bullets.

    However, I'm not under a 10 round limit, so I'm willing to trade a bit of diameter for a 30% increase in mag capacity.
    I like bigger bullets, but I'd take a Glock 19 with 15 rounds over the 30SF with 10, not willing to give up 50% mag capacity.

    Although a bigger hole is desirable, an attacker has 10 seconds or more of voluntary action after lethal (but non-CNS) hits.
    One can't guarantee good shot placement, poor or (God forbid) missed shots are not impossible.
    If a criminal / psychopath has taken action that justifies lethal force, they may be drugged as well as mental, potentially making them harder to stop.
    Might there be a 2nd attacker? Not impossible either.
    Giving "bigger is better" credence I'm going with the compromise caliber 40 (Glock 23) rather than 9mm (Glock 19)
    Again, if under a 10 round limit I'd go with the Glock 30SF.

    Caliber war? No such thing. Caliber discussion.
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    back to the nicely put o.p.: i follow the first rule of gunfighters, always have a gun, and its corollary, be sure you know how to hit with it. i no longer have a family to shepherd, i stay away from large social gatherings, make few nighttime ventures, and live a happy quiet life. thankfully i can afford whatever i need. i most often ccw a naa mini 22lr and/or a 38sp snubbie loaded with wadcutters and a pachmayr grip, and even a ruger lcr 22lr or sr22, or a bond arms derringer 410/45lc while interstate driving. iím going to try a taurus spectrum 380acp as a ccw if iím happy after sufficient practice. i have tried other 380acp. i cannot make anything heavier work for me. more power to those of you who can make 9mm and 45acp work for you.

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    I’ll add my thoughts . I have a 9mm and 10mm. Originally I switched around depending on where I was going, what I was going (store or in the woods or what have you) but after regular practice I realize I shoot the 10mm considerably more accurately and more enjoyably than the 9 so I don’t alternate what I carry. I always carry the 10. Sometimes I add in the 9 as well, simply because I can. Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusky View Post
    Iíll add my thoughts . I have a 9mm and 10mm. Originally I switched around depending on where I was going, what I was going (store or in the woods or what have you) but after regular practice I realize I shoot the 10mm considerably more accurately and more enjoyably than the 9 so I donít alternate what I carry. I always carry the 10. Sometimes I add in the 9 as well, simply because I can. Just my two cents.
    I would think a 10mm would be classified as a WMD in NY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusky View Post
    Iíll add my thoughts . I have a 9mm and 10mm. Originally I switched around depending on where I was going, what I was going (store or in the woods or what have you) but after regular practice I realize I shoot the 10mm considerably more accurately and more enjoyably than the 9 so I donít alternate what I carry. I always carry the 10. Sometimes I add in the 9 as well, simply because I can. Just my two cents.
    I always contend that a well placed shot from a .22 always beats a miss by a .45. I carry a 9mm and a .38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lchamp View Post
    I always contend that a well placed shot from a .22 always beats a miss by a .45. I carry a 9mm and a .38.
    I'm not picking on you, but posting that reminds me that I see similar statements often and they always have the same premise.

    Why is the larger caliber always less accurate, or the one that misses, everytime.
    Not once have I seen the opposite, "a hit with a 45 is better than a miss by a 22" - never seen that posted.
    Odd how the larger calibers are always predicted inaccurate whereas the small calibers hit spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I'm not picking on you, but posting that reminds me that I see similar statements often and they always have the same premise.

    Why is the larger caliber always less accurate, or the one that misses, everytime.
    Not once have I seen the opposite, "a hit with a 45 is better than a miss by a 22" - never seen that posted.
    Odd how the larger calibers are always predicted inaccurate whereas the small calibers hit spot on.

    For a precision shot at distance, I'll take one of my 45s every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lchamp View Post
    I always contend that a well placed shot from a .22 always beats a miss by a .45. I carry a 9mm and a .38.

    Explain to me exactly what factor would make you miss a shot with a .45 that you could make with a .22, All other factors being equal.

    Honestly, the quoted statement is something that I call ďbumper sticker logicĒóthat is, it looks pithy on a bumper sticker, and seems logical as long as you donít put any actual thought into it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I would think a 10mm would be classified as a WMD in NY.

    ssshhh , don't even think it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    Explain to me exactly what factor would make you miss a shot with a .45 that you could make with a .22, All other factors being equal.

    Honestly, the quoted statement is something that I call ďbumper sticker logicĒóthat is, it looks pithy on a bumper sticker, and seems logical as long as you donít put any actual thought into it...
    In my 70+ years of shooting, I have observed many of my compatriots who "couldn't hit the side of a barn" with a .45 handgun but could be very accurate with many other handguns. I, myself, have qualified as expert on every handgun I used for qualification with the lone exception of the military 1911. At the local police shooting range, we often trade off handguns between shooters...just talking from experience. Yeah, I have put a little thought into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lchamp View Post
    In my 70+ years of shooting, I have observed many of my compatriots who "couldn't hit the side of a barn" with a .45 handgun but could be very accurate with many other handguns. I, myself, have qualified as expert on every handgun I used for qualification with the lone exception of the military 1911. At the local police shooting range, we often trade off handguns between shooters...just talking from experience. Yeah, I have put a little thought into it.
    Interesting observations.

    I've noticed many of the 9mm guys confusing sheer volume of fire with accuracy and effectiveness.
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