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This is a discussion on On My Way To The Mall... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 As I understand Missouri law in this particular instance, no crime is committed until a carrier is told to leave the ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    As I understand Missouri law in this particular instance, no crime is committed until a carrier is told to leave the premises and refuses. I would ignore the sign and go on about my business. That's just me, of course.
    Per state law, it must be a minimum of 11" wide, 14" high, 1" lettering and PROMINENTLY displayed. The mall does not follow this law. According to city code, however, one could post it on a postage stamp sized poster in the corner under the eaves and be in compliance of a notice. There is no size or placement requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    You could say the same for nightclubs, theaters and concert venues. It all adds up. I would say any venue that is a gun-free zone with a lot of people is a target for a mass shooting. Even if you do the math on schools, the numbers are pretty low.

    With your logic, you really don't need to carry at all. The average carrier's chance of ever needing a gun is pretty slim.
    Millions of people in this country never carry a gun, or need one for defense, for their entire (long) lives...this is an indisputable fact.

    Then again, millions of people’s homes won’t burn down; no matter I still have fire alarms and extinguishers.

    But I haven’t installed a sprinkler system, or any other more effective measures because of “well, it COULD happen”.

    Quite bluntly? The chance of being killed in a car accident to/from that mall is orders of magnitude higher than being in a mass shooting event...but I bet you aren’t wearing a crash helmet, or installed 5-point harnesses, etc in your car...

    This is where I say, people just aren’t doing the math.

    Look; if strapping on a big pistol to go wherever makes you feel warm’n’fuzzy, have at it.

    But trying to justify it because a mall is a “higher threat zone”? Sorry, that dog just don’t hunt.
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    @Cuda66 : I agree with your last conclusion. I think the parking lot of a mall is a bigger risk than the mall itself. But my point is that malls do have a risk history and they have all the hallmarks of an attractive mass shooting target. But I would never "gun-up" to go to a mall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    Per state law, it must be a minimum of 11" wide, 14" high, 1" lettering and PROMINENTLY displayed. The mall does not follow this law. According to city code, however, one could post it on a postage stamp sized poster in the corner under the eaves and be in compliance of a notice. There is no size or placement requirement.
    I was thinking more about force of law than signage.
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    I'm not sure, all thing considered the caliber change from 9mm kurz 9x17 to 9mm Luger 9x19 is all that important.

    But what is important is you feel you have the right defensive weapons for the place you are going.

    Always trust that "little voice". For me it is never wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    There is nowhere I'd rather have a 380 to defend myself than a 9mm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Which is another difference between you and many of the rest of us.
    I prefer 9mm over 380
    What are the other differences?
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    There is nowhere I'd rather have a 380 to defend myself than a 9mm.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmf552 View Post
    There is nowhere I'd rather have a 9mm than an M60 and a walkie talkie to call in artillery. But I would rather have something that shoots than nothing.
    Why is it 380 or nothing?
    Work attire, that might limit one to carrying a pocket 380 "best they can do" which was not the case for OP in this thread (or me ever, anymore).
    One can dress as they like when going to the mall (restaurant, movie, shopping, ect...) a Glock 19 size pistol is easy to conceal.
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I prefer 9mm over 380
    What are the other differences?
    Per Ellefritz's study, the .380 is tops in a few important defensive numbers. His conclusion is that any of the service calibers are reasonably equal in real-world shootings from a defensive standpoint.
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    Didn't we have thread like this awhile back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    5 events, over 12 years, in how many hundreds (thousands?) of malls in the US?

    You might want to redo your math.
    You might want to do your research. This was just the first site that came up. And it is from 2012.

    November 12, 2011 – James Coleman, 22, killed two people at the Arundel Mills Mall in Hanover, Maryland. Coleman was later shot and killed by police officers athis home. The mall shooter also wounded a police officer.

    November 26, 2008 — Barry Lee Saunders Jr., 21, killed one person at the Westfield Southcenter Mall in Tukwila, Washington. Saunders was captured in Portland four days later.

    December 5, 2007 — Robert Hawkins, 19, killed eight people before taking his own life at the Westroads Mall. Five more shoppers at the Omaha mall were wounded during the mass shooting.

    April 29, 2007 — David Logsdon, 51, killed two shoppers and wounded a law enforcement officer before being shot and killed by the police at the Ward Parkway Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

    February 12, 2007 — Five people were murdered and four killed at the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City. Sulejman Talovic, 18, was ultimately shot and killed by police officers.

    November 20, 2005 — Dominick Maldonado, 20, wounded seven people at the Tacoma Mall. Maldonado also took four hostages at the Washington shopping center bNovember 12, 2011 — James Coleman, 22, killed two people at the Arundel Mills Mall in Hanover, Maryland. Coleman was later shot and killed by police officers at efore he later surrendered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    There is nowhere I'd rather have a 380 to defend myself than a 9mm.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedSafety View Post
    Per Ellefritz's study, the .380 is tops in a few important defensive numbers. His conclusion is that any of the service calibers are reasonably equal in real-world shootings from a defensive standpoint.
    For me, 9mm > 380 without a doubt. (I don't own a 380 anymore, no point; I can (and do) easily carry something bigger than a pocket 380)
    EDC is Glock 23 preferred over Glock 19
    (The 19 is okay, but I'm willing to sacrifice two rounds in exchange for bigger bullets)
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    You might want to do your research. This was just the first site that came up. And it is from 2012.



    https://www.inquisitr.com/442037/dea...rica-timeline/
    No, I don’t.

    I know the odds of being involved in a mass shooting at a mall are infinitesimally low.

    Do the math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    Didn't we have thread like this awhile back?<img src="https://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/images/smilies/vol_1/smile2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />


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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    Why is it 380 or nothing?
    Work attire, that might limit one to carrying a pocket 380 "best they can do" which was not the case for OP in this thread (or me ever, anymore).
    One can dress as they like when going to the mall (restaurant, movie, shopping, ect...) a Glock 19 size pistol is easy to conceal.
    I never said it was 380 or nothing. I was implying it is personal choice and that if there is a gunfight none of will probably have all the gun we might want. As you say, people can dress like they want and not everyone wants to be a slave to dressing like you want them to so they can cover a larger gun. It is their choice. Why should anyone tell anyone else how they should dress or what they should carry? There are people who would criticize you for "only" carrying a 9mm and not a .40, a .45 or even a 10mm and that's not fair either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    For me, 9mm > 380 without a doubt. (I don't own a 380 anymore, no point; I can (and do) easily carry something bigger than a pocket 380)
    EDC is Glock 23 preferred over Glock 19
    (The 19 is okay, but I'm willing to sacrifice two rounds in exchange for bigger bullets)
    Me as well and only slightly larger...To each his own i say...I think people mistake a persons preferences and reasons for
    bashing their choices sometimes.

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