Desperate Times

Desperate Times

This is a discussion on Desperate Times within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I was very content to carry my Kimber K6S revolver, and had found a comfortable pocket Holster to tote it around. In light of the ...

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    Desperate Times

    I was very content to carry my Kimber K6S revolver, and had found a comfortable pocket Holster to tote it around. In light of the current situation, and with the distinct possibility of it getting worse, I have reverted back to my Glock 26, with a G19 Magazine giving it a 16 rd capacity. Desperate Times call for Desperate Measures.
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    Who is desperate? Has crime suddenly risen? Home invasions? Car jackings?

    I will never question what anyone carries. But I'm wondering what exactly precipitated a higher round count suddenly being in order. At least in my area most people are self isolating and there's no blood running in the streets yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    Who is desperate? Has crime suddenly risen? Home invasions? Car jackings?

    I will never question what anyone carries. But I'm wondering what exactly precipitated a higher round count suddenly being in order. At least in my area most people are self isolating and there's no blood running in the streets yet.
    My reasoning is simple. As Businesses Close and Workers are let go some of these individuals out of necessity will find it necessary to forage for what they need. I live in a Rural area surrounded by woods. Although I feel sorry for anyone placed into that situation, I cannot let them kick in my door and have them help themselves to what I have. Also the Lives of my family are most important to me. I might sound like a Fool to you, but I feel much more comfortable being prepared for the worst. Time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    Who is desperate? Has crime suddenly risen? Home invasions? Car jackings?

    I will never question what anyone carries. But I'm wondering what exactly precipitated a higher round count suddenly being in order. At least in my area most people are self isolating and there's no blood running in the streets yet.
    +2 here. Nobody's running around killing folks for toilet paper in these parts. My carry habits haven't changed (yet, anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    Who is desperate? Has crime suddenly risen? Home invasions? Car jackings?

    I will never question what anyone carries. But I'm wondering what exactly precipitated a higher round count suddenly being in order. At least in my area most people are self isolating and there's no blood running in the streets yet.
    +3, I’m just not feeling it to anywhere near that degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    Who is desperate? Has crime suddenly risen? Home invasions? Car jackings?

    I will never question what anyone carries. But I'm wondering what exactly precipitated a higher round count suddenly being in order. At least in my area most people are self isolating and there's no blood running in the streets yet.
    It probably depends on your zip code. Things are pretty calm in my neck of the woods but I'd feel a whole lot less secure in some coastal snake pit. Either way, to not be adequately armed would be simply irresponsible.

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    OP - I get it. Especially living where you are living. Depending on how long this lasts before we flatten the curve and things begin returning to normal, you don't know what folks will do if they get desperate for food, water, other essentials. I'm also a bit concerned that some of our youth will begin ganging up and wandering the areas with nothing to do but prove their machismo to each other … which can lead to stupid choices.

    One troubling bit of news (fake? who knows?) is that Detroit has lost 140 police officers due to the virus. If our LEOs are taken off the streets, then things can break down in a hurry. If we should lose our workers at power plants and other utilities, then is when things can get very bad. Should we lose cell service and internet access, then I'm totally out of my comfort zone.

    Believe me, I am more of a Pollyanna than most folks, but I've been forced to consider some pretty dark scenarios, just in the last few days.

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    Who was it that said...."Plan for the best, prepare for the worst"....? Every person must prepare for his own situation. More available rounds may make a difference in a "group" gathering.
    100% of home invasions occur......in someone's home.....usually without warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    It probably depends on your zip code. Things are pretty calm in my neck of the woods but I'd feel a whole lot less secure in some coastal snake pit. Either way, to not be adequately armed would be simply irresponsible.
    True dat. I made the decision not to live in any city or even close to one long ago and passed on the financial benefits of doing so. That many people all cramped in together has always made me nervous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    It probably depends on your zip code. Things are pretty calm in my neck of the woods but I'd feel a whole lot less secure in some coastal snake pit. Either way, to not be adequately armed would be simply irresponsible.
    That makes a lot of sense. With more states issuing "Stay-at-home" orders, businesses are shutting their doors. Many people live paycheck-to-paycheck. What will happen when the checkbook is empty and no income is expected?

    For that matter, I don't see the criminal element truly taking "time-off", especially as THEIR cupboards run bare, or they need their next fix.

    I live in a pretty rural area, and we've already seen out-of-county license plates stopping at our local rural grocery store to buy stuff.
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    Update: I searched Detroit police and found an article saying 152 officers had been quarantined and five were found to be infected. If such a thing happens to more LE agencies, then is when the criminal element will be emboldened.

    I agree that living in a rural area offers some solace, especially if you are on good terms with nearby neighbors. Although we live in a planned community with new houses going up nearby, I pondered the idea a couple weeks ago of ordering a 4-pack of walkie-talkies for some of the men in our neighborhood. My wife pooh-poohed the idea and I relented. Now I'm wondering if that might still be a good idea...
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    We have lived in our house for over sixteen years. There was one or two car prowls in unlocked vehicles over that time. It was probably kids since they took some change and some CDs.

    Two mornings ago, our next door neighbor had his truck broke into and the guy took camping equipment and tools. Our and the other neighbor's motion detector cameras caught him, but he knew where the cameras are so no face videos.

    Last night, the neighbors on the other side of us caught a guy trying to break in their side garage door. I got video of him riding his bicycle by our house. The neighbor grabbed his gun and chased him through their back yard. The guy escaped over the back fence and disappeared, but he left his bicycle out front. I have motion detector video of the police driving by about every half-hour last night. We are pretty sure both incidents are the same guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    It probably depends on your zip code. Things are pretty calm in my neck of the woods but I'd feel a whole lot less secure in some coastal snake pit. Either way, to not be adequately armed would be simply irresponsible.
    I would say being "adequately armed" is a 24x7x365 requirement. But what is adequate to one might be inadequate to others. Were the environment to become much more threatening I'd increase my carry load and make more of my firearms locked and loaded for home defense. I just don't think we are there yet (where I live), but I'm not discounting it won't get to that point. I certainly wouldn't discount the idea of looting in some places, particular inner cities that seem to take any opportunity to do so, with or without a pandemic.
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    Carry whatever concealable gun you own that you would prefer in hand if you had to defend yourself, location nor amount of daylight should factor.
    If you want ___ in a "bad" area, it makes no sense to settle for "less" in a "good" area.
    Carry whatever the "bad" area merits everywhere, in case it comes to you.

    The only exception would be when carrying in a non-permissive environment, like work, otherwise see above.
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    I'll tell you when it's time to panic. No, really, I will...
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