Steel case ammo, yes or no?
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March 25th, 2020 10:42 PM
Buy it cheap, stack it deep. Cheap steel ammo is 90% of all the ammo that I shoot. If your gun does not run properly with steel case ammo, your gun does not work properly.
Unless you are trying to reload, or want quality defensive ammo that all comes in brass cases, I see no real point in buying brass cased ammo as it works just as well and is cheaper.
March 25th, 2020 11:53 PM
I've used a bit of the World War II .30 Carbine and .45 ACP. Reloaded it too, mostly because some loading manual said one couldn't. Don't recall about the .30 Carbine, but the .45 ACP primer pocket was some odd size, somewhere between the .175 of the small pistol primer and the .210 of the large pistol primer. Seems like it took a .204 boxer primer, perhaps to keep anyone from later reloading the case.
Originally Posted by retired badge 1
Anyway, I reamed the primer pockets out to .210, loaded 'em up and fired 'em off in my 1918 Colt 1911. That was over 40 years ago and I still see those five or six cases drift through whenever I prepare large batches of "general purpose" loads for the .45 ACP. Don't know how many times those cases have been reloaded and without trimming either.
Same for the .30 Carbine. A few come through whenever I get in a big reloading way to feed the Carbine, left over from early experimentation in my youth.
I think rust would be the big bug-a-boo in reloading boxer primed steel cases. Rusted ones would almost have to have diminished strength characteristics.
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March 26th, 2020 12:50 AM
Many here are fine with them, and that's good info. That said...
Originally Posted by drmordo
I do not buy, or use steel or aluminum cased ammo.
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March 26th, 2020 01:03 AM
I like to shoot aluminum cased just to drive you guys nuts...
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March 26th, 2020 06:16 AM
I had more problems with steel than brass ammo too, but never with Tula steel cased ammo. Some people will have problems with one particular brand of steel or aluminum cased ammo, and then go on to assume and make blanketed statements about ALL of that kind of ammo when, just with some brass ammo, their gun might not have liked that one brand of ammo...
I buy it all the time for years for both my rifles and handguns... Nothing has broke or worn down prematurely because of it.
March 26th, 2020 06:26 AM
I clean my guns, so even if what you say is true, it's a non issue. I haven't noticed any extra wear or extractor issues from almost exclusively firing steel cased ammo out of my ARs and AKs. Never had an extractor issue with my pistols other with one brand (I forget the name) that keep getting stuck in the chamber.
Originally Posted by Sarge45
I can buy more, save more money, and shoot more steel cased ammo. If anything does wear out after thousands of rounds, the cost of the replacement part will be much less than the money I saved. With that said, I never had a problem and think most of the stuff you hear on the inet is hyped up.
March 26th, 2020 10:45 AM
Exactly. Lets say youre shooting an AR15 for instance. Lets say the average life of a barrel (a much more expensive part than an extractor thats a couple dollars and a 45 second swap) is 40,000 rounds with regular use of brass case ammo. Lets say the steel case/jacket ammo wears it out at a crazy accelerated rate, and it is shot out at 20k rounds. A pretty common price for Wolf 223 55gr steel case ammo is $180/1k. For any of the brass case 55gr cheap basic ammo, lets say its $310/1k. With the cost savings you would have earned from the $130 per case you saved, times 20 cases, you saved $2,600 in ammo over those 20k rounds. Thats enough to buy a barrel for your old rifle, a new rifle, new optic, and a few more cases of steel case ammo.
Originally Posted by APX-9M
March 26th, 2020 11:10 AM
I think a lot of people shoot steel case ammo and I have few boxes kicking around in 9mm because at one point that was all there was out there. I prefer to pay a little extra for brass so I can reload it.
March 26th, 2020 11:58 AM
That can happen in semi automatics too. Then it leads to extractor problems because the extractor rips over the rim as the slide moves rearward, and then slams back over the rim as the slide returns to battery.
Originally Posted by jamf1234
March 26th, 2020 10:20 PM
For me the entire appeal of the 7.62x39 chambering is the relatively inexpensive steel cased ammo. I own 5 rifles in that caliber, all steel all the time for all of em. One of the reasons I can't warm to the mini-30 is reputation of not being reliable with steel cased ammo.
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March 30th, 2020 05:40 PM
If I understood LuckyGunner's long analysis, it all comes down to cost vs. time for the same number of rounds.
Want the barrel to last longer, but cost more? Use brass.
Want to save money? Use steel.
My own conclusion: I don't know enough about changing barrels, so I'll stick with brass. If changing a barrel is super easy and low risk of messing it up, I'd use steel.