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What Every Body Is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People

This is a discussion on What Every Body Is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People within the Defensive Books, Video & References forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Rockymonster In reading the code (38.02), it appears to be pretty straight forward. Did your at attorney take exception to it, or ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockymonster View Post
    In reading the code (38.02), it appears to be pretty straight forward. Did your at attorney take exception to it, or advise you to comply?
    Thanks.
    Oh. I ain't complying to anything unless I have too. That was his advice and he has backed up people in court for this in the past and has won every time.

    My lawyer has said follow TPC 38.02 to the letter.

    I got stopped once jogging by LE because there was a break-in down the road. I don't tell anybody my info. Nothing against LE, but my mom always told me to not to talk to strangers.

    One of the LEO's told that if detained I had to produce ID. I said "nope". If I am detained I cannot "lie" about my info if I give it up. I am not required to give ID unless arrested. His buddy knew and winked at me :)

    We were cool. They were doing their jobs. And I was doing mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    Oh. I ain't complying to anything unless I have too. That was his advice and he has backed up people in court for this in the past and has won every time.

    My lawyer has said follow TPC 38.02 to the letter.

    I got stopped once jogging by LE because there was a break-in down the road. I don't tell anybody my info. Nothing against LE, but my mom always told me to not to talk to strangers.

    One of the LEO's told that if detained I had to produce ID. I said "nope". If I am detained I cannot "lie" about my info if I give it up. I am not required to give ID unless arrested. His buddy knew and winked at me :)

    We were cool. They were doing their jobs. And I was doing mine.
    Perfect! Were you carrying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockymonster View Post
    Perfect! Were you carrying?
    Nope. If I was I would have told them just in case someone panicked and saw a bulge and shot me.

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    I'm not sure why you seem to have such an adversarial approach to law enforcement. I have a couple of ideas, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I can say that there have been some who try to gain some kind of fame by matching wits with police. I am mystified as to how people have so much time to waste on a completely unproductive pastime.

    Nothing personal whatsoever.
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    Benefit of the doubt

    Perhaps not an adversarial approach to law enforcement in general, rather an unnecessary adversarial approach initiated by an individual officer. The few who are badge heavy screw it up for the professional majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    I am very well aware of Texas Penal code 38.02. I have a personal lawyer that has advised me on this.
    His name wouldn’t be Daggett would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I'm not sure why you seem to have such an adversarial approach to law enforcement. I have a couple of ideas, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I can say that there have been some who try to gain some kind of fame by matching wits with police. I am mystified as to how people have so much time to waste on a completely unproductive pastime.

    Nothing personal whatsoever.
    Your ideas are most likely incorrect regarding my attitudes. It is not being adversarial to know the laws of a state you live in and what your rights are under the Constitution. I never have ever been more than cordial to LEO's. I politely decline to give any information.

    Don't you think it is odd that a LEO would actually lie to me and tell me I have to give ID? If someone were to lie to your face, how would you handle it?

    I, in no way am against LE or LEO's. But I will not let anyone tell me to do something I do not have to do.

    ETA: Except my wife
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWsouthpaw View Post
    You basically provided nothing but a title and cover art. Are you recommending this book? Or do you think it's a bunch of hooey?

    Interestingly (or maybe not), this book is available at Amazon in paperback for $11.29, while the Kindle edition is $12.99. I would have thought it would have been the other way around.
    I've seen a few like that. I've been reading on the kindle for years. Back in the day kindle books were significantly cheaper but now the books buy better know authors are not that much cheaper on the kindle which is really a rip off considering the cost of creation is so much cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    Nope. If I was I would have told them just in case someone panicked and saw a bulge and shot me.
    Couldn't resist the opportunity ... "Is that a gun in your pocket, or am I happy you stopped me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post

    ETA: Except my wife
    A vital clarification.
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    I might as well get it over with.

    With all due respect...when someone says they give you the "benefit of the doubt" it means rather than think anything that might be bad about you, they prefer to not attribute bad intentions, but good intentions on your part. It is not an indictment, it is more of a compliment.

    https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com...t+of+the+doubt

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    I have found out long ago that any thread about any so called experts and opinions will be met with naysayers
    even if the piece is overall well done...Critics will find something wrong with how something is worded etc.
    If it is video...They will manage to pick apart the everything from a loud bird in the background or the noise from the wind etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    Your ideas are most likely incorrect regarding my attitudes. It is not being adversarial to know the laws of a state you live in and what your rights are under the Constitution. I never have ever been more than cordial to LEO's. I politely decline to give any information.

    Don't you think it is odd that a LEO would actually lie to me and tell me I have to give ID? If someone were to lie to your face, how would you handle it?

    I, in no way am against LE or LEO's. But I will not let anyone tell me to do something I do not have to do.

    ETA: Except my wife
    You apparently aren't a pilot and didn't spend any time in the military! (Both do have to take orders without questioning them!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5lima30ret View Post
    You apparently didn't spend any time in the military!
    I did, and I grant you your point!
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    The title of this thread reminds me of a few courses I attended during my career that were presented by John Reid & Associates. One was titled "The Reid Technique of Interviewing and Interrogation", which was especially useful to me in the field of Human Resources and Risk Management. When I took the courses in the 2000 to 2005 time frame they were already somewhat controversial as being based on "bad science" and questionable ethics. A little research informed me that most of the criticism came from criminal defense attorneys who sometimes had to represent clients who had confessed after being "subjected" to the Reid techniques. I did a quick google search and I was glad to see that the courses are still being offered internationally today.

    Though I have a degree in Criminology, I was never a sworn law enforcement officer. In the business world I still had plenty of opportunities to apply what I learned from the Reid courses on problems involving theft of intellectual property, counterfeiting of our proprietary products, bomb threats, drug trafficking, sexual harassment, theft, assaults, and other garden variety employment issues. When I took the courses I typically found myself attending with a group that was about 80% LEO. The balance of the audience was made up of security consultants, military personnel, risk managers from the private sector and attorneys.

    I do heartily recommend the classes if you have a need to interview/interrogate people on issues of substance, even if it is only conducting candidate interviews as part of a hiring process.
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