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How can I tell if a gun is really "factory new"?

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#1 ·
Thinking of buying an M&P 9mm compact from a guy online. I'm supposed to go look at it next week and I'm wondering if there is a way to tell if it is really "factory new" as he claims? What should I look for?

I usually buy from local gun shops but with the recent gun craze going on :shootin: it has become hard to find what I'm looking for all of the shelves are empty.

Thanks for your help
 
#3 ·
I dont know what "factory New" is. its either brand new or its used..... LNIB, shot once, LN, etc....its still used and gets a used price regardless.
 
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#4 ·
He's an FFL dealer and claims it's brand new from the factory.
 
#5 ·
If he is a dealer and you are quesyioning the "new" status of a gun before you see it... should you really be doing business with them? Im not understanding why you think he will rip you oiff that you need to verify the newness of a weapon, but thats what I call a red flag......
 
#9 ·
I've never done business with this gentleman, I'm not doubting that it's new I just wanted to know if there was something I should look for to tell if it has been used other than the factory test fire. He's a machinist and they do custom work on firearms so I doubt they would risk putting their name out there in a negative way by selling a used gun at a new price but you never know.
 
#7 ·
In all seriousness, I'm not a hundred percent sure. I usually resort to my ever so smart phone with questions like these. However, since I've been dealing with the same LGS for years, I tend not to question him and have never found evidence upon returning home to suggest I've been mislead.
 
#8 ·
IMO, factory NIB means: the original factory box, sealed; the original gun, in factory cosmo/oil and bagged; the original spent cartridge; the original tester's document/tag; the number/type of magazines and other items shipped from the factory; and no signs of wear and tear once you open everything up.

Anything else is basically "used." Though, of course, there are many levels of "use," from simply having an opened box, to a "safe queen" that's been shot only a handful of times, to something well-worn from years of carry (ie, a police trade-in, in a department known for its heavy training schedule on its duty weapons).

If you're really wanting to ensure a legitimately new NIB gun, then I'd suggest shopping at a known quantity. Find a shop that everyone swears up and down is a great shop, an honest shop, one that has earned that reputation over the course of many years. Only buy where you're able to inspect everything ahead of time, including the original box/documents/spares. If you really want to have a level of certainty above and beyond that, only shop at a place that allows something like a 3-day no-shoot guaranteed return policy. Though, most of us settle for far less than that, as our experience allows for greater comfort level with situations. No telling when you're getting snowed on some level. Though, outright wear and tear can be easier to spot. And it's simple enough to come to a shop well prepared, by knowing exactly what you should be seeing in a "factory NIB" box. JMO.
 
#11 ·
Sometimes that "factory new" gun is used. Many gun shops sell the "display" model. Have you ever held a "new" revolver and asked the sales person "Can I dry fire it?" and then do so when you get the affirmative?

If you have had good luck with the guy, then I wouldn't worry about it.....and once you buy it "new" it's "used," even if you never shoot it. If I want a new gun, I go to an LGS. If I want a used gun, even if the used gun is unfired, I buy face to face in a private sale. That's just the general usage in the trade....
 
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Probably because the price of a used gun is less than the price of a new gun. :crazy:
And who ever said it was a "day's worth" of use???:drool:
 
#16 ·
Me too, I just like to break em in myself. Either that or pay the price of a used gun.
 
#21 ·
I would care less if it is new or used as long as it is in good condition and the price is right. The M&P 9MM retails for $525 to $565 in my area but they don't remain on the shelf very long.
 
#22 ·
Look at the magazine follower. If it's been loaded and fired, you will see a track on the follower from where the cartridges were pushed into the chamber. Look at the mag followers in the guns you have and you will see what I'm talking about. The new unfired magazine won't have that line from the cartridge being pushed out.

New guns are fired 1 or 2 rounds at the factory, and will still have the residue in the barrel from that. But the factory proof firing is almost never done using the magazines that are shipped with the gun.

Fitch
 
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#23 ·
Thanks for answering the question that was asked! I appreciate it! I was beginning to think maybe I should've worded my question differently without so much detail like: "How can I tell if a gun is new". Maybe then everyone wouldn't chime in on whether or not I should trust doing business with this person or whether the firearm would still be reliable? (I don't even know where that one came from). Thanks again and that's a great tip I will definitely be looking out for that.
 
#24 ·
I bought my 9c from Academy sports in December of last year and it was totally new, I watched the salesman take it right out of their safe as I specifically asked if they had a totally untouched one. A brand new from the factory M&P will be:

-in blue S&W case
-wrapped in clear plastic
-have that orange thing in the chamber
-have all the papers (manual, warranty card, NRA stuff) and fired casing sealed in a small manila envelope that will be dated on the label.
-2 mags (3 if Pro series or LE version) and 2 extra backstraps, all the M&Ps I've seen in a store came shipped with the medium on them.
-a random piece of greasy paper

Also, recent M&Ps seem to have a lot more grease on them from the factory than they used to. My first one I bought last spring had very little on it, the one I got recently had a ton of grease on it. Also, the slide releases seem to be a lot tighter than they used to be.