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    I generally carry two guns simply because I can. The pocket gun is completely unnoticeable until I put my hand on it. It has its purposes, none of which being the ones you mentioned.

    As far as worries about prosecutors may or may not do over something that may or may not occur, I'm simply not there. I know what I'm doing, why I do it, and am comfortable in my ability to articulate my reasons and actions in a given situation.
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    I'll take "2 Carry Guns" for $800, Alex...

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    I often carry 2. Even off-duty. In fact, every time I go to the city you'll catch me with my Shield OWB concealed under a +1 size T shirt or and overgarment, and my KLCR on my ankle. If I'm just wearing a tucked in T-shirt and jeans, 642 in right pocket, KLCR on my ankle.


    I remember one particular pretty brutal fight I got into back in my Narcotics Agent days. I was attacked by 6 or 7 guys and went down a coupla times. Sometime during the fight my entire holster and GLOCK 22 (Safariland paddle holster) was knock from my side. I was on top of a guy punching him, and a bunch of folks were on my back, punching me, when I somehow, through it all, realized my GLOCK and holster were gone. I distinctly remember at that point thinking, "I gotta roll off this dude and find cover and pull my 642 off my ankle before someone in this crowd ends up blasting me with my own GLOCK" !

    That's about when I started seeing guys peeling off my back. I looked up and saw an old Bailiff that had somehow found me out there (I never got a chance to call it in, but a resident saw it and called it in, the old bailiff heard the call and was in the area). That old Bailiff had my GLOCK, still secured in the Safariland paddle holster, and he was cracking thugs in the head with it. We ended grabbing up a few and booking them.

    But, point is, that old Bailiff saved my butt and luckily he recovered my gun instead of one of those punks I was fighting. He told me he found it, still holstered, just sitting in the middle of the street when he drove up. Had he not shown up, or if one of those thugs would have found that GLOCK before he did, that J Frame on my ankle woulda been the only defense I had. Didn't need it, but sure glad I had it.

    Thank God for back up guns, ….. and old Bailiffs !!!
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    I carry 1 But if a guy wants to carry 2 or 3 it's none of my business. I don't live or frequent areas where it may be necessary
    to have 2 guns on me.

    Some like to have back up gun in case of one gun failing and that's ok also..None of my business.
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    A lot of two-gun-toters hereabouts, and that's just fine w moi.

    I carry only one, well-working, highly reliable piece. It's reasonably clean and lubed; and I practice when I can. Sometimes a spare mag; that's it.

    I find for me, one piece is plenty to be responsible for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSam View Post
    I am moving towards wanting to carry two handguns most of the time. I prefer a revolver as my primary but I understand the potential drawbacks of needing to reload quickly under certain situations so having a "New York Reload" on hand would bring peace of mind. I'm thinking of going with an LCP as my BUG in the pocket. My reasoning is that between the two platforms of revolver & semi-auto one of them is going to work for sure and the LCP won't weigh down my carry side too much. Or, I may just carry another revolver, a J-Frame in the pocket so I can carry the same ammo for both primary and BUG. I haven't decided yet.

    But there is more to it then just faster reloads. Carrying two guns is beneficial in more ways then one, particularly if you ever needed to arm someone else in your party if something is going down or if you either drop or have your primary wrested away from you. Any current or former LEO who may be on the forum doesn't need me to tell them the benefits of carrying two guns.

    However, I'm just a civilian and one thing has given me second thoughts on doing this. I watched a video on Youtube by "Paul Harrell" titled "Why I don't Like Hyper Ammo". In it he describes a case where someone who had been carrying two guns had fended off an attacker with one of them. He didn't actually fire a shot but while in court the DA was arguing before the judge that he was guilty of some crime because "MOST PEOPLE DON'T GO AROUND CARRYING TWO GUNS!" was his exact statement (28:30).

    He was attempting to portray the victim as a real bad apple, a "gun nut" who was loaded for bear and looking for trouble because he had the audacity to carry two guns. While it doesn't sound like the DA was able to make anything out of that argument the fact that he even tried bugs me. I can see how that could be used against someone and depending on the DA, district, judge and/or jury maybe not everyone will fare as well as the person in Mr. Harrell's video?

    And if he were only carrying one gun the DA likely would have said, "MOST PEOPLE DON'T GO AROUND CARRYING A GUN!"

    I routinely carry two guns and have carried three when I felt the need. I always pocket carry my Sig P938 9mm and a spare magazine. I also carry a 1911, a Glock, or a revolver on my belt with from one to four reloads depending on where I am and what I am doing.
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    I carry based on my perceived threat and what my training tells me. While I respect everyone's right to their own choice for me If I felt like I needed two handguns, I may not go. Once again based on my perceived threat. Three of my most high risk areas in my life now is church (no, I am not kidding), a mall of some kind, and a fuel pump. I would add a Walmart visit but.... I rarely throw a LCR into a coat pocket on a very cold day with my 1911 on my belt but I usually don't do that either. With my love handles, two on a belt is right out.
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    @GoodSam , @OldChap had some good advice for you. Ask 100 people a question, you get 100 opinions. The key point is what works best for you. Only you can answer that question. I sound like the Smokey Bear commercials. Only you can prevent forest fires.

    Another thought to keep in mind, is that one gun or two guns, if you don't practice drawing, shooting, reloading on the move, the number of guns may not matter at all. Guns are just tools. A trained person can accomplish a lot with just one tool. An untrained person can accomplish nothing with two.

    As for the discussions about the DA, don't worry. Just tell the truth, only the truth. I'm an expert witness in commercial disputes. I'm on the stand a lot. The opposition is always going to try to make you sound awful. However, a well articulated truthful answer wins the day. No sir, I am not a careless driver that ignores speed limits. I drove 100 mph over the limit because my buddy was bleeding out in the back seat and needed help fast. Yes I called 911, but the ambulance was 45 minutes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I generally carry two guns simply because I can. The pocket gun is completely unnoticeable until I put my hand on it. It has its purposes, none of which being the ones you mentioned.
    Hmm... so having a BUG gun to go to for a faster reload, the ability to arm someone else in a conflict or to have a spare in case one is dropped or taken from you that I have mentioned are NONE of the reasons why you carry a BUG? What else is there left?

    So pray tell, what are your reasons then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSam View Post
    Hmm... so having a BUG gun to go to for a faster reload, the ability to arm someone else in a conflict or to have a spare in case one is dropped or taken from you are NONE of the reasons why you carry a BUG? What else is there left?

    So pray tell, what are your reasons then?
    I don't carry a bug. A second, pocket gun, yes, simply because a hand-on-gun draw is much faster than one from concealed IWB. I can go anywhere with my hand in my pocket--my hand on my IWB gun, not so much. I'm not going to arm anybody else, and fast reloads aren't something I worry about.
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    I been carrying a "2nd option" pistol for awhile, carried in weak hand front pocket.
    It gives me the option to put my hand on it without revealing I'm carrying; handy if someone "shady" approaches in parking lot.
    I had an extractor break and a "premium" factory HP squib lodge in barrel during practice, but failure of primary is not main reason for "2nd option".

    I do not think I'll "need" a 2nd gun, it simply affords me the option to put my hand discretely on it that my primary IWB doesn't.
    Why not just a pocket pistol? A pocket pistol is not what I would prefer to have in my hand if I had to defend my life.
    I would much prefer a Glock 35 or 41 in my hand if I had to defend myself, so that is IWB; can't get it in my hand if it anit on me.
    If I thought I would "need" a gun I would be going there in the first place.
    My needs assessment: I'm going to ____ (basically leaving the house), I "needs" my pistols.

    I frequently see rationalizing less gun based on perception of a "good" area and it doesn't make sense to me.
    Ex: A 380 (25 acp/32) deemed sufficient for "good" area but 9mm or bigger if greater threat anticipated / predicted "bad" area.
    Seems one would want the same ASAP potential to stop a threat regardless of where the attack happened.

    Like the justification sometimes used for minimal calibers, "I wouldn't want to get shot with it" or "Nobody volunteer to get shot with it"
    Well, nobody want a cup of urine thrown on them or volunteer to be spit on, neither of which is quickly incapacitating.
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    I don't carry more than one gun because I feel the need for more than one gun based on where I am. I carry more than one gun because they are mechanical devices that can fail for many reasons. Two is one and one is none. I can grip the gun in my pocket while standing in a crowded room and nobody notices. If I grip the gun on my belt everyone notices. If I am driving, my shirt is cleared of the seat belt and my belt gun is available. The gun in my pocket requires I take off the seatbelt and adjust my position to access it. My wife carries the same gun as I pocket carry. If she isn't carrying for some reason I can hand her my pocket gun and she is good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    @GoodSam With all due respect to Paul, if you decide to listen to every "catch line" voiced as gospel truth on the internet, you'll probably decide to stop breathing. The plain and simple fact is that numerous people always quote outlandish things that happen in courtrooms - almost none of them actually give legal case numbers - so that the public records may be examined for factual content.
    Thanks for the post. I am not the type who buys into everything they hear online and there are very few "experts" that I take seriously and Paul Harrell is one of them. I have no reason to believe that he would be making anything up or exaggerating the case he had mentioned.

    His point was that what you carry and how many guns you carry could, in fact, be a problem in court depending on the circumstances and I tend to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I been carrying a "2nd option" pistol for awhile, carried in weak hand front pocket.
    It gives me the option to put my hand on it without revealing I'm carrying; handy if someone "shady" approaches in parking lot.
    I had an extractor break and a "premium" factory HP squib lodge in barrel during practice, but failure of primary is not main reason for "2nd option".

    I do not think I'll "need" a 2nd gun, it simply affords me the option to put my hand discretely on it that my primary IWB doesn't.
    Why not just a pocket pistol? A pocket pistol is not what I would prefer to have in my hand if I had to defend my life.
    I would much prefer a Glock 35 or 41 in my hand if I had to defend myself, so that is IWB; can't get it in my hand if it anit on me.
    If I thought I would "need" a gun I would be going there in the first place.
    My needs assessment: I'm going to ____ (basically leaving the house), I "needs" my pistols.

    I frequently see rationalizing less gun based on perception of a "good" area and it doesn't make sense to me.
    Ex: A 380 (25 acp/32) deemed sufficient for "good" area but 9mm or bigger if greater threat anticipated / predicted "bad" area.
    Seems one would want the same ASAP potential to stop a threat regardless of where the attack happened.

    Like the justification sometimes used for minimal calibers, "I wouldn't want to get shot with it" or "Nobody volunteer to get shot with it"
    Well, nobody want a cup of urine thrown on them or volunteer to be spit on, neither of which is quickly incapacitating.
    I agree for the most part...Good points.
    Caliber i totally agree.
    Situational awareness is important.
    Stay off your cell phone.
    Sit down where your facing the entrance door,Scan for exit while there
    Park in well lit area of a parking lot...Etc.

    There is certain places i just don't go and won't go, no matter how armed i can make myself...Like a 24 Hr Walmart at 2am.
    Nothing there is worth the headache and legal battles that would follow if i had to defend myself.

    I carry just 1 gun keep it maintained and shoot it often and go about my business.
    But i can't see a reason anyone should tell someone else that they shouldn't carry 2 or 3 or whatever they want.
    I prefer 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodSam View Post
    Hmm... so having a BUG gun to go to for a faster reload, the ability to arm someone else in a conflict or to have a spare in case one is dropped or taken from you that I have mentioned are NONE of the reasons why you carry a BUG? What else is there left?

    So pray tell, what are your reasons then?
    @Mike1956 and @CDW4ME answered the question before I could. For me two things are true.

    1) Some situations dictate that speed of draw might be paramount. There are very few options for accomplishing that objective that are any faster than having a hand on a gun so concealed that no one can tell your hand is even on the gun.

    2) That type of concealment, for me, means pocket carry. Therefore, the size of the gun is critical. I can conceal a PF-9 in a front jeans pocket, but I cannot draw it as quickly as a physically smaller gun - like an LCP or S&W Bodyguard 380. If I could conceal an M-134 Minigun, I'd do it. Obviously that would be ridiculous, so I have to compromise.

    I don't plan on equipping someone I don't know from Adam, unless I'm very sure of who they are. I can reload everything I carry, so that isn't a primary reason. Anybody trying to take a gun from me is going to be first cousin to Swiss Cheese - if they get that close, because of the kind of blade I carry, some pieces will likely be missing from them shortly.

    Quick object lesson. During Hurricane Harvey (1 year ago) my immediate neighborhood became an island. No police, fire, cell phones, electricity, water, you name it: gone. A few of our neighbors and myself decided to form a foot patrol to watch for looters during the nightime hours. I carried an M4 rifle, 150 rounds of loaded mags, 2 Glocks with spare mags, a Ruger LCR in one pocket and an LCP in the other along with spare mags for each. I have to tell you, there were times when I felt completely unarmed.

    Sometimes carrying an extra gun gives you a mental edge.
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