Accuracy VS Energy

Accuracy VS Energy

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    Accuracy VS Energy

    What is more important to you in a carry gun?
    I took three of the pistols I carry and compared them side by side to get a feel for speed and accurcy.
    All were shot standing offhand as fast as I could keep a flash sight picture. The target is an 8" circle

    SIG P250 357 SIG at 7 yards

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    Glock 19 9MM at 7 yards

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    Bersa Thunder Combat 380 10 yards

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    I am faster and more accurate with the Glock and Bersa, but the Sig in 357 has a lot more foot pounds of energy (500+)

    I did not have the 40 S&W barrel the Sig came with on this range trip but going by previous shooting, the 40 S&W gets closer to the Glock in the accuracy department, so I think I'll be changing it back.
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    Speed is fine, accuracy is final.

    Shot placement is key. If you can't put em where you need em, then it doesn't matter.

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    A380 ACP in the face will be more effective that 45ACP in the arm. Accuracy is paramount.
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    I guess I'd say the .357 group and 9mm group are both fine, in terms of practical accuracy. Take your pick - slightly smaller groups or more energy. Both are valid choices, with .40 splitting the difference.
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    Accuracy is paramount no matter what the caliber to me. I'm spending more time shooting my most carried rather than my better shooting.
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    Reliability is first,energy second.
    Just why would anybody want accuracy from 2-12 steps away?
    If you want to get a deer from 400 yards,get a .270 Winchester.

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    @Rusty222 Surely you're not serious? I assume you have never owned an inaccurate handgun? You need the experience at least once.

    I had a Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Special that literally could not hold a 10 inch group at 15 yards off of a sandbag rest on a concrete bench. Using two hands, that group could barely be contained in a B-27 target - not the silhouette, the whole target. I tried every load known to man. I had different folks, competition pistol shooters all, try it with the same results. I sent it back twice to Charter Arms, with ammo and targets, and they finally sent it back with a note that such "accuracy" was normal for the gun.

    Trust me. Accuracy is necessary in a handgun (indeed any gun) designed to protect human life. (If your reply was just sarcasm, please disregard)
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    As all guns are intrinsically more accurate than humanly possible, its always on the shooter not the gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    @Rusty222 Surely you're not serious? I assume you have never owned an inaccurate handgun?

    I didn't,but that's not what we are talking about here.
    The Q. here is,"What is more important to you in a carry gun?"
    And that's short range.
    Now for target shooting,accuracy is very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    As all guns are intrinsically more accurate than humanly possible, its always on the shooter not the gun.
    Yes.
    "9 out of 10-times the problem is the jerk on the trigger."
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    There was a time I could rip 5 shots out of a .22 Ruger MK2 into a quarter. A 9mm that fits your hand well would probably be the next fastest and most accurate. To answer the question, which one comes the closest to doing what you want it to do. Bowling Pins were great practice in the 80's. It was easy to separate out which handgun you were the most accurate and fastest with.

    You also need to factor in which grip fits you the best with no adjusting on the first or subsequent shots?

    The bowling pins really narrow the field and eliminate guns you may be on paper with, but aren't doing what you want them to do on smaller bowling pins - 5x at speed. If you are ok with that from 2 to 12 steps away, it's your choice. It could mean the difference between marginal torso hits vs. the nervous system or vitals.

    In general, for average shooters, the 9mm outshines the .45 and big bore revolvers by a wide margin. This is from looking at a few years of scores and watching everyone progress in their abilities. Even the .38 duty size revolver outperforms many big bores with average shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    @Rusty222 Surely you're not serious? I assume you have never owned an inaccurate handgun? You need the experience at least once.

    I had a Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Special that literally could not hold a 10 inch group at 15 yards off of a sandbag rest on a concrete bench. Using two hands, that group could barely be contained in a B-27 target - not the silhouette, the whole target. I tried every load known to man. I had different folks, competition pistol shooters all, try it with the same results. I sent it back twice to Charter Arms, with ammo and targets, and they finally sent it back with a note that such "accuracy" was normal for the gun.

    Trust me. Accuracy is necessary in a handgun (indeed any gun) designed to protect human life. (If your reply was just sarcasm, please disregard)
    Wow, not the end of the world on a bad gun (I have picked up $900 Smiths in the LGS, brand new with visibly crooked barrels) its more their response that would bother me. I just picked up a Rossi 44 special snub and my first three shots from 10 yards were almost touching. Only reason I would keep it is its accuracy for me. My accuracy standards for skill at least are all shots on a paper plate out to 25 yards. The gun most likely can always do that but,me, not so much.
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    You could narrow the gap with this round for your 9mm.

    https://www.underwoodammo.com/collec...=7865899909177
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    I do not own a gun that is not far more accurate than I. Given that, reliability and power becomes my criteria.
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    The first thing I do when I get a new handgun is to shoot it off a sandbag rest with different ammo, That tells me all I have to know.
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