The current crop of "Hand Guns".

The current crop of "Hand Guns".

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    The current crop of "Hand Guns".

    Bump stocks. Hand Guns. Braces.

    All terms used by the BATFE and meanings that can change in the blink of an eye. This is the agency that once testified in court that a shoelace was a machine gun. They said that you couldnt "shoulder" a "Brace". Then they came out and said it was ok. The same agency that said bump stocks were OK, let that decision go for a few years and at the biding of the NRA they decided to change horses in the middle of the creek and ban them. Even though they have no legal authority to do so.

    Occasionally they make no sense whatsoever.

    Take the "brace" craze. You put a brace on a handgun, have all the attributes of a short barreled rifle and yet not have to wait 9 months for the approval of a 200 tax stamp to make it legal.

    Does it make sense? Absolutely not, but that never stopped them now did it?

    In the meantime, many people are exploiting that decision. I use to make a lot of SBR's. I love them. They are short, quick, handle well and are fairly accurate. The only disadvantage that I see is on the rifle calibers which yeild big fireballs and they are LOUD and that you have to register them with the Feds, pay 200 bucks and wait for 7,8 or 9 months before you can take them out and play with them.

    With braces being approved though, all of that goes away. There are now fixed braces, collapsible braces, and folding braces. I get the fixed brace and even the folding brace but the collapsible brace just does not make sense to me, but hey, it's their rules so I'll do what I can with them.

    Below are a couple of pictures of so-called handguns with braces. They barrels are less than the 16" limit. They used braces rather than stocks and they are classed as handguns. Here in Arkansas, the only stipulation for a handgun that can be carried either concealed or unconcealed is that the barrel must be 12" or less. One is a 223. One is a .45.The others are 9mm's. I .have 300 Blackouts, 45's a 10mm, all in the AR platform.


    What are your thoughts? Like them or not? Let's see what you have.

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    I'm not even interested in one, having had an M2 Carbine barrel cut off at the end of the wood and the stock cut off behind the grip. It was fitted with a sling and to me was absolutely useless, other than it would fire rounds. I got rid of it as soon as I was able to get a folding stock M2 Carbine while in VN.

    This subject came up here in Illinois in a lgs. I was told these "pistol" Ar's were considered as "other" weapons, along with the new shotgun "pistols" and could not be concealed by a permit holder as a handgun. But this is just unconfirmed hearsay to me. Those weapons in your photos are much longer than the cut off version I had and look very operable.

    A photos off the internet of one.

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    I've got two AR pattern pistol's with braces. Love both. Could I own an SBR. Sure. Could I afford one (& deal with the wait involved). No. I use the striped down one as a PDW/primary home defense gun. 7.5" barrel, & is very compact/maneuverable. Also have a brace on my Kriss Vector. If things should change, I'll deal with that when it comes to pass.

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    where it gets weird is the VFG laws on handguns IE the other 26inc guns


    I like braces a bit ..I have had NFA guns with stock and FA guns ..Some with stock make a lot of sense to me ie MP5 stockd is way better then brace esp in FA ..But some like MAC10 stocked is not much different firing then a pistol ...
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    So locally the laws prevent AR ownership. The current circumfrential exception is like my little friend here. It's a pistol as far as the ATF is concerned but the barrel is over 12.5 inches making it an "other" where I live. It's the only way we can still own ARs.
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    Don’t have an SBR as defined by current ATF regs, have no desire to wait the many months to receive ATF blessings to own one. But I do enjoy the fascination when I bring this to the range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Don’t have an SBR as defined by current ATF regs, have no desire to wait the many months to receive ATF blessings to own one. But I do enjoy the fascination when I bring this to the range.

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    Yep them and the Hi power stocked guns are amazing ... A hi power with a 20 round mag and stock very handy volly gun ... The feds have a whole list of guns like this some very very cool non NFA stuff on there even a few of the Bretta 92 are allowed to have stocks ( not that any made it to the civie market ) and some other cool stuff 14inc winchester lever guns straight pull 22lr pistols with stocks etc

    And very cool org 7.63 caliber ?
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    I have a pistol AR & pistol AK. Both are 5.56 and both use standard AR mags. Even though I am an AR guy I prefer the AK 5.56. It is much smoother shooting, IMO
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    I wouldn't mind having one, although I probably never will. I'm just wondering, when you go to the shooting range, do you use the pistol range or the rifle range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozz10mm View Post
    I wouldn't mind having one, although I probably never will. I'm just wondering, when you go to the shooting range, do you use the pistol range or the rifle range?
    With the AR shown, I use the 25 yard pistol range. My other AR pistol (not shown) has a red dot, & I use 50 yard rifle range for it. Kriss sighted in at 25 yards.
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    I have a Sig MPX pistol in 9MM with a brace. 8 inch barrel. Zero recoil. Great truck gun.

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    I love rifles, shotguns, and handguns. Never found a reason for an in-between.
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    I'm not a AR guy. I do own a Springfield Saint Pistol in 5.56. I bought it because, as a pistol, I can technically carry it concealed and loaded in my vehicle by law.
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    I think it's an okay workaround, but I probably won't buy one. The current approval, as I understand, amounts to a letter with an opinion, which can be changed at a moment's notice. The more products that come out using the brace as an obvious substitute for a stock, the more likely the opinion will change, leaving the owner with a suddenly illegal weapon. Especially if one is tied to a crime - witness the fate of bump stocks.
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