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    Kahrs have a much longer trigger stroke than the P365.

    Sig probably wishes they had included the dingus on the P320, given the drop safety fiasco they had.

    Iíve shot the P365, and thereís no way Iíd carry a striker fired pistol with such a short and light trigger without at least a dingus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome10 View Post
    Thinking about a p365. In looking at the gun I realized it doesnít have a trigger safety (dingus, thingy, whatever you call it).

    Are you able to explain to me why the P365 doesnít need this when, to my knowledge, basically every other striker fired gun has a trigger safety? I was under the impression the trigger safety is for drop safe purposes. Maybe Iím wrong there. But if so, how is the P365 drop safe without the dingus?

    Just surprised not to see it on the little sig.
    1) You are the safety! If do not feel confident in handling your gun to prevent an unintentional discharge, then you need more practice before you carry a gun. See Cooper's Rule #3: Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire!
    2) Many striker-fired guns do not have safeties. None of mine have safeties. Glocks do not have an option to have a safety.
    3) Safeties serve no purpose other than to provide a false sense of security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Iíve shot the P365, and thereís no way Iíd carry a striker fired pistol with such a short and light trigger without at least a dingus
    How is that "dingus" going to prevent you from pulling a light trigger? Doesn't it have to be engaged before the trigger can release the striker? As for light, please define "light".
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    Quote Originally Posted by spclopr8tr View Post
    How is that "dingus" going to prevent you from pulling a light trigger? Doesn't it have to be engaged before the trigger can release the striker? As for light, please define "light".
    The dingus prevents the trigger from moving rearward and firing the gun if itís dropped muzzle-up. Thatís why Sig had to lighten the trigger shoeís weight on the P320, to give the shoe less mass and thus less inertia, to help with the drop safety issues they were having.

    I wouldnít want to drop a P365 muzzle-up.

    Many carry the P365 in soft pocket holsters. Without a dingus, itís possible something dragging on the outside of the pocket could engage the edge of the trigger.

    Itís also possible for worn holsters to catch the edge of the trigger. A dingus helps with these situations.
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    If you need a dingus, by all means buy only guns that have one.

    I personally do not consider my Glock42 safer because of its dingus, but that's me.
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    I love Glocks, but I don't dislike Sig Sauers or H&Ks. There was a guy in Nevada in what appears to be a gun related business, who placed his g43 into his AIWB holster, and accidentally shot himself when he bent over. Might have been a worn or soft holster that folded into itself in front of the trigger, or his shirt got pushed down into it in front of the trigger. Someone also recently posted on a forum about accidentally shooting himself when his Blackhawk soft holster folded down and in, and it pressed his trigger- it might have been a p365 or g43, I can't quite remember. Here's the p365 drop test info
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post

    Sig probably wishes they had included the dingus on the P320, given the drop safety fiasco they had.
    Doubt it. They have the army contract for years and people are waiting in line to buy the new X-Compact. The regular 320 sells just fine. Not every man wants to fondle a dingus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    The dingus prevents the trigger from moving rearward and firing the gun if itís dropped muzzle-up. Thatís why Sig had to lighten the trigger shoeís weight on the P320, to give the shoe less mass and thus less inertia, to help with the drop safety issues they were having.
    From the 365's owner manual:
    2.1.2 Principal Features

    The striker safety lock and disconnect safety ensure safe carrying of the firearm and provide instant readiness without actuating a manual safety."
    A good thread on P365 safety discussions can be found here. https://sigtalk.com/p365/274162-sig-...echanisms.html

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    It's like drivers. If they go faster than you they are idiots. If they go slower than you they are morons. The same can be said for how much is safe enough for your comfort level with a gun. I am comfortable with the P365 as designed until there is a volume of evidence otherwise.
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    I like smooth faced triggers anyway and besides I would not carry any gun concealed with a trigger lighter than about 8 pounds. No reason to unless you have physical limitations. This isn't target day at the range. Stuff happens fast and adrenaline changes everything and that 12 pound trigger will act like a 2 pound when the time comes.
    Lots of cool under fire operators out there who will just "keep their fingers off the trigger" until precisely the right moment and who's fine motor skills and range discipline will be stone cold calm under duress unlike people like me who have human fear reactions.
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    The only true safety exists between one's ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CG11 View Post
    The only true safety exists between one's ears.
    Thatís certainly the most important thing, but Mr Murphy has a way of reminding us that weíre all human.

    Bottom line is that a short and relatively light trigger sans dingus is more apt to continue moving if the gun is dropped muzzle up, and more apt to get pulled if something catches the edge of the trigger, than one with the dingus.

    If youíre ok with that, then drive on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonnycrocket View Post
    my KAHR has no safety,its never blown my leg off
    Long double action trigger pull, different than most other striker guns
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    While I agree that the trigger safety is a joke, like on the S&W MPs, none of the striker fired Sigs have the tab safety on the trigger, maybe if they did, Sig 320s won't need a voluntary update for firing when dropped.

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    Are we here to look for problems? Or did I miss something?

    Who am I to mistrust the state of the art?

    Hey, wait a minute . . .
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    None of my carry guns has a trigger safety. Except for the FN High power that had a magazine safety and I removed that. Like that has already bee said trigger safety is between your ears.
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