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Would You Carry a non 4473 EDC?

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    Today's carry was purchased with a 4473, but that has no bearing on its carry-ability for me.
    I carry what I know to be reliable and something with which I am proficient... 4473 or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Very few of my guns were bought thru an FFL. So yeah, I would and I do.
    ^^^THIS pretty much sums it up!^^^
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    I don't see what the issue is. These forms are typically only filled out when a purchase is made from or through an FFL or in commie states like MD where EVERY handgun transfer must either go through an FFL or the state police. I also see no bearing on the quality of a firearm for which the owner hasn't filled out a 4473. There is nothing to preclude someone buying a new gun then selling it to another individual shortly thereafter if for some reason they didn't want to keep it. In that scenario there would be a state of the art handgun passed to an individual who didn't fill out a 4473.

    So in short, I wouldn't hesitate to carry one without the 4473.
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    You youngsters are aware that there was a time when there was no such thing as a 4473? Indeed, there was a time when guns were not even required to have a serial number? I have a couple of those. I will not elaborate on what the old salt LEOs called those.

    No doubt some of you have heard the expression, "Possession is nine tenths of the law." There you go.

    @MB53 Maybe the far more interesting question might be, "Have you ever conducted a non-4473 transaction (private sale) and later wondered if the weapon would show up as having been used in the commission of a crime?"

    One of my uncles was a Deputy Sheriff in the Texas Panhandle and he had an original 1873 Colt Peacemaker with 4 notches in the grips. I dreamed about that gun as a kid.
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    I do it all the time. As long as I acquired it legally, which I always do, I could care less if itís papered in my name.

    Louisiana (my state) does not require gun registration. And as a LEO, as long as you acquired it legally, I could care less if anyone elseís gun is in there name. When we come across a gun in a case, we run if to see if itís stolen. If itís not stolen, thatís the end of the issue as far as weíre concerned down here.

    I had a case not too long ago where a homeowner had to defend himself against 2 home invaders. He killed one and wounded another. One of the guns he used happened to be stolen years ago. He was exonerated, in fact never charged with any type of homicide, because it was clearly self defense in my book, and more importantly, in the law book. But I did have to charge him with possession of stolen goods. Still, all in all, he came out ok. And more importantly, he came out of it alive.
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    I live in AZ.
    I can walk to a friends house and hand them cash in exchange for a legal firearm.
    I can tuck that legally purchased firearm into my belt and walk back home with it loaded, concealed or exposed.
    All legal and proper-like.
    My 18 year old offspring could too. Just not concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    You youngsters are aware that there was a time when there was no such thing as a 4473? Indeed, there was a time when guns were not even required to have a serial number? I have couple of those. I will not elaborate on what the old salt LEOs called those.

    No doubt some of you have heard the expression, "Possession is nine tenths of the law." There you go.

    @MB53 Maybe the far more interesting question might be, "Have you ever conducted a non-4473 transaction (private sale) and later wondered if the weapon would show up as having been used in the commission of a crime?"

    One of my uncles was a Deputy Sheriff in the Texas Panhandle and he had an original 1873 Colt Peacemaker with 4 notches in the grips. I dreamed about that gun as a kid.
    Not only do I remember the days before the 4473 I remember when you could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it mailed directly to your home. I bought my first shotgun when I was 15 and at a local auction, picked it up right after the auction ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    4473 or not has no bearing on what I carry or use.
    Feel the same way,
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Not only do I remember the days before the 4473 I remember when you could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it mailed directly to your home. I bought my first shotgun when I was 15 and at a local auction, picked it up right after the auction ended.
    Yup...I bought a 22 rifle from our Walgreens Drugstore and carried it home. No paperwork, no escort to the door, just a friendly smile from the salesman. I had saved the money from a summer of cutting lawns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Not only do I remember the days before the 4473 I remember when you could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it mailed directly to your home. I bought my first shotgun when I was 15 and at a local auction, picked it up right after the auction ended.
    I believe there was a time one could mail-order a Thompson SMG to the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patkelly4370 View Post
    I believe there was a time one could mail-order a Thompson SMG to the door.

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    That would have been before the GCA of 1934.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patkelly4370 View Post
    I live in AZ.
    I can walk to a friends house and hand them cash in exchange for a legal firearm.
    I can tuck that legally purchased firearm into my belt and walk back home with it loaded, concealed or exposed.
    All legal and proper-like.
    My 18 year old offspring could too. Just not concealed.

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    Where'd your neighbor get it? Who had it before them? Example while having my brick and mortar. Sold a Ruger blackhawk we took in on trade. Guy bought it and got delayed. Proceed was 3 days later, he picked it up. 6 months or more later, feds called, who'd we sell the gun to? It had been stolen in the late 70's and was on the hot sheet. They let him keep it because of the amount of time since stolen and he had a 4473 attached to a lawful sale of same.

    So, if that had been a carry gun someone carried a few times a week or daily and got stopped for something or other and for some reason the gun was checked, they'd have been in possession of a stolen firearm.

    If you buy a gun privately with no 4473 attached to the sale, at least have the serial number run to make sure it's not been stolen sometime in the past and reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    Where'd your neighbor get it? Who had it before them? Example while having my brick and mortar. Sold a Ruger blackhawk we took in on trade. Guy bought it and got delayed. Proceed was 3 days later, he picked it up. 6 months or more later, feds called, who'd we sell the gun to? It had been stolen in the late 70's and was on the hot sheet. They let him keep it because of the amount of time since stolen and he had a 4473 attached to a lawful sale of same.

    So, if that had been a carry gun someone carried a few times a week or daily and got stopped for something or other and for some reason the gun was checked, they'd have been in possession of a stolen firearm.

    If you buy a gun privately with no 4473 attached to the sale, at least have the serial number run to make sure it's not been stolen sometime in the past and reported.
    80% Glock, 1911, etc. Still a legal transaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patkelly4370 View Post
    80% Glock, 1911, etc. Still a legal transaction.

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    I could also mill my own 80%. No paperwork involved and legally carry it.

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    I know of at least one gun in LA (lower AL) that was traded for 50 lbs of shrimp fresh off the boat (some were Royal Reds). It was all legal! If it had been me I would have had to have at least 60 lbs of shrimp half of which would have to be Royal reds!
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