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This is a discussion on Why you need to carry a round in the chamber within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Wavygravy Now that's downright mean. In the immortal words of Clint Smith, "Always cheat, always win."...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavygravy View Post
    Now that's downright mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    In this instance it most likely would have made no difference. Even guides standing guard with a rifle in hand have not been able to get a shot off at a surprise charging Grizzly. If you have ever trained with a bear target on a speed track it is a sobering experience. Even with a can of bear spray in your hand most can't even get the safety tab off and a good blast on the bear until its 3 to 4 feet away and the momentum of the animal even if the spray works is going to hit you like a train. Capacity for bears is absurd. Capacity for humans much less so.
    I live and work and train for Grizzly in Wyoming and Montana and most internet gun "experts" are clueless about bear protection and their abilities with what they choose. There is just no time to even draw a sidearm unless you see the bear first before they see you.
    When we do "carcass duty" to move one away from population the rule is 2 people moving the carcass and 3 people with 12 gauge shotguns at the ready loaded with Brenneke slugs. To be a "certified" gun carrier you have to consistently be able to get one center head shot at the speed target from a low ready with the shotgun. Its not an easy feet at all. Just the act of shouldering the gun the "bear" has covered half the distance and is 10 to 15 feet away and traveling 35 MPH. You do the math.
    This ^^^ gives me the shivers Forester!

    I was fishing with family in Alaska a few years ago. Three of us were dropped off by boat at a prime spot while my resident nephew went to get two more family members. Since I was the most experienced shooter in my group, he gave me his 454 Casull in a chest rig as bear protection. After about 20 minutes of fishing, we heard twigs and branches snapping in the dense thicket about 20 yards behind us. We all stopped fishing and turned toward the sound of the racket. I was knee deep in the river and closest to the noise. I had my hand on the “holstered” 454 and my heart in my throat as a huge cow moose busted out of the brush and got about 10 yards from me before she skidded to a stop, shook her head, turned and ran off. This all took less than 30 seconds.

    I basically froze.....and should have had the gun out and pointed at the first sound of the noise. Had it been a Griz, it still might not have made a difference, but I learned a lot from that moose encounter. As it was, that moose could have been a problem, but she was as surprised as we were, and fortunately left us alone.

    I’ve since seen the tests with a stuffed bear mounted on rails illustrating how little time you have to draw and utilize bear spray on an advancing bear....chilling.....
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    The only organization I'm aware of that was a) good at what they did, and b) did not keep a round chambered was the SAS back in the 70s and 80s. As I recall they carried BHPs and trained to speed draw while racking the slide and shooting. Other than specialists like that, regardless of how fast the target is or how trained you need to be, not having a round chambered is other than smart IMHO.
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    I was once charged by an angry wounded jack rabbit. I was so glad I had a round chambered in my 22 rifle! I still have nightmares about the horrific gnawing injury that beast might have inflicted on me.

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    just wait til one of these mean critters charges you.



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    Most folks don't realize the speed of a bear.....have been in the woods with many over the years and have taken my share.....when the adrenaline surge kicks in either in aggression or in retreat they usually mow down everything in their path including saplings....no stopping them at close quarters unless it's a NS shot. Last one I saw, was sittin' over a dead cow....watched as this big boar pick up the fore leg in his jaws and snapped it in half.....impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    So it doesn't matter if you carry a round in the chamber then??? I think the point of the story is when seconds count, why waste a few trying to figure out why your gun isn't working? I guess he did have time to draw it according to the story....
    No, of course he should have a round chambered but, 10mm is a terrible Grizzly country choice and I myself have carried one in the past (as well as a 357 magnum which is much better than 10mm but, still really too small )but, no way today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxHeavy View Post
    Most folks don't realize the speed of a bear.....have been in the woods with many over the years and have taken my share.....when the adrenaline surge kicks in either in aggression or in retreat they usually mow down everything in their path including saplings....no stopping them at close quarters unless it's a NS shot. Last one I saw, was sittin' over a dead cow....watched as this big boar pick up the fore leg in his jaws and snapped it in half.....impressive.
    Watched a big boar drag a bull Elk off like it was nothing. It had been gutted but, the remainder was whole. None of the hunters tried to stop him.

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    @CommonCents Excellent...a jackalope. Lots of restaurants in Texas have trophy jackalope heads mounted on the wall. I have seen foreigners (anybody non-Texan) argue about whether these critters are real. When asked, I just grin and walk away!

    And back on topic (sorry for the excursion) I had a deacon friend who had a vacation cabin in Alaska which was well out in the wilderness. He kept a Police 870 loaded with Brenneke slugs, including one in the chamber, and carried it everywhere they went. He always said pistols were fine for lesser critters, but the shotgun was the first line of defense for big bears.

    He owned a Win Model 70 African in 458, but he kept that in the vehicle or cabin and took it back to Texas when they went back to the ranch.
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    Honestly, in this situation I don’t think having a round chambered in that particular gun would’ve done anything except shift his time of death back a few moments.

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    My last bear was a big Blackie........spooked'em while he was scratchin' his back on a tree.... had a crossing shot 12 yards in front of me at a full out gallop...put the 240gr. JSP 444 Marlin through him as he continued on to crush everything in his path....easily found the blood trail along with his liver lying on the ground....tracked him up a mountain and located him at his cave entrance where he collapsed.....had on hell of a hole through him....very exciting to say the least.
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    I carry a .357 revolver or my 45. I don't live in bear country, but I do live in New York City. We have different animals to deal with.---Sturgis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturgis View Post
    I carry a .357 revolver or my 45. I don't live in bear country, but I do live in New York City. We have different animals to deal with.---Sturgis
    I don't mind going in the woods around bear. Going into New York City scares me.
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    Some people carrying are not really prepared for two legged human predator(s), empty chamber carry is indicative.
    I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
    "Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forester58 View Post
    No, of course he should have a round chambered but, 10mm is a terrible Grizzly country choice and I myself have carried one in the past (as well as a 357 magnum which is much better than 10mm but, still really too small )but, no way today.
    Full power 10mm is a 180-220 gr hard cast at over 700ft lbs of energy, so it's more potent than the 357mag, but not quite a 41mag. Shoot that out of a S&W 610 6.5 inch, or a pistol with a 5-6in barrel, and it's not too bad. But I'd have that only as a backup to a 12ga with slugs, or a slide action or lever action rifle in something like a .35 Whelen.

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