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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Best option for your hearing (and your loved ones) but I'm curious how LEOs and the Local DA would react to the use of a Class III item in a SD situation.
    I don't think my department would have ever had an issue with a silenced pistol (legally owned) used for home defense. As @Havok said, a good shoot is a good shoot. I wouldn't mind legally owning one, but I'm just too lazy to go through the hassle.

    And then there is the issue of having more than just one weapon in our home for defense. 12 gauge and AR would also require one. I prefer a set of the quality ear protectors that have a microphone that amplifies all sounds and excludes gunshots. That gives me the ability to actually hear better that a normal human, and hearing a home invader is a definite advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I don't think my department would have ever had an issue with a silenced pistol (legally owned) used for home defense. As @Havok said, a good shoot is a good shoot. I wouldn't mind legally owning one, but I'm just too lazy to go through the hassle.

    And then there is the issue of having more than just one weapon in our home for defense. 12 gauge and AR would also require one. I prefer a set of the quality ear protectors that have a microphone that amplifies all sounds and excluded gunshots. That gives me the ability to actually hear better that a normal human, and hearing a home invader is a definite advantage.
    I like the idea of electronic ear protection for home protection but will not use them at the range. Their dB ratings are just never as good as the old fashioned dumb ear protection. Plus, just not that interested in idle chatter at the range when I am there. But in a HD situation they would prove a huge advantage. Thanks for the idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Best option for your hearing (and your loved ones) but I'm curious how LEOs and the Local DA would react to the use of a Class III item in a SD situation.
    For one, they would not have to ask you questions as loudly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    It's legal.
    Plenty of "legal" shoots get prosecuted. Some prosecutors are just out to advance their careers (Kamala Harris comes to mind) over the lives of others. Legal and non-prosecutable are not the same thing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SycamoreRuger View Post
    I always wondered about the reliability of suppressed guns because you are deliberately altering the direction and force of the burning powder. I saw a video that talked about backpressure of a suppressed gun causing gunpowder to spew out the ejection port onto the shooter - does that affect reliability at all? (I will probably never shoot a suppressed weapon because Illinois does not allow them).

    Anyway, from a legal standpoint, I think an overzealous prosecutor could use a mounted suppressor against you. Remember the Arizona cop who faced for shooting someone with an AR-15 that had “you’re f*****” printed on the inside of the dust cover? The prosecutor said “That statement tells me this is a person who’s enthusiastic about killing people.” (This sounds like an entirely messed case in multiple ways btw).

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/0...15-dust-cover/

    In a case involving a suppressor, I could see a prosecutor making an issue of it if there are multiple bad guys in your home, and you used a suppressor to shoot a second bad guy after you quietly dispatched a first.
    I hate to tell you this, but overzealous prosecutors, just like their civil cousin scumbags, can charge or sue you because of the color of your shoelaces. I have heard that rumor for decades. No one has ever produced a case number or case law reference so that the actual transcript may be seen. Ask whoever you heard that from for such information and get back to me if you find anything. I won't hold my breath.

    One more certain truth. When someone breaks in my home to kill my family, the LAST person's feelings I will be concerned with are some lawyer's or prosecutor's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    I like the idea of electronic ear protection for home protection but will not use them at the range. Their dB ratings are just never as good as the old fashioned dumb ear protection. Plus, just not that interested in idle chatter at the range when I am there. But in a HD situation they would prove a huge advantage. Thanks for the idea!
    I've worn mine both with and without ear plugs and can still hear the range officer commands easily. My issue is my set does not fit well with rifle stocks. I need a slimmer headset.

    As for the idle chatter, turn the volume down. Sometimes the easiest solution is the most obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    I like the idea of electronic ear protection for home protection but will not use them at the range. Their dB ratings are just never as good as the old fashioned dumb ear protection. Plus, just not that interested in idle chatter at the range when I am there. But in a HD situation they would prove a huge advantage. Thanks for the idea!
    You're welcome. I concur. BTW, the reason I always harp on the issue of ear protection is that I have had the exquisite joy of paying for a $5,000 set of hearing aids. (Phonak)

    @OldVet Saw a guy once fix that problem. He got some layers of padding and used duct tape to affix them to the stock. He got a better cheek weld and could use slightly larger protectors at the expense of everyone thinking he was a redneck hillbilly sniper from the swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    For one, they would not have to ask you questions as loudly.
    a homeowner was shot by LE recently after defending himself when LE arrived, i bet he couldnt hear any commands
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonCents View Post
    a homeowner was shot by LE recently after defending himself when LE arrived, i bet he couldnt hear any commands
    I think that is a reason that many of us who have been with LE when they face a situation where they have to make entry always suggest the best defensive posture for a homeowner is behind cover. Let the bad guy come to you.

    The best I ever saw was a guy who was completely invisible to us, but when he realized it was the good guys, stuck his empty hands out from behind his cover. There was no question in our minds who he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5lima30ret View Post
    I have nothing against suppressors for HD/SD but tactically it would be much easier to disarm someone with a longer barrel or gun w/ a suppressor. Just my .02 worth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Plenty of "legal" shoots get prosecuted. Some prosecutors are just out to advance their careers (Kamala Harris comes to mind) over the lives of others. Legal and non-prosecutable are not the same thing at all.
    OK, I'll play. How many home defenders have been prosecuted, if they did not then hunt down the burglars after they fled? I know of one who lived in a socialist state and was in possession of an "unlicensed" gun and was prosecuted for that, but not the act of defense itself.

    Legally, once deadly force is authorized you could use anything you legally possess or can access. There has to be a violation of law (illegal act) in order for someone to be prosecuted for said violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I think that is a reason that many of us who have been with LE when they face a situation where they have to make entry always suggest the best defensive posture for a homeowner is behind cover. Let the bad guy come to you.

    The best I ever saw was a guy who was completely invisible to us, but when he realized it was the good guys, stuck his empty hands out from behind his cover. There was no question in our minds who he was.
    Yeah for sure Old Chap, but the case i was thinking of was some perp was in his house assaulting his daughter, homeowner fired, perp ran out with cops at door, homeowner prob disoriented, cant hear, and I think LE were just shouting put gun down, not clearly identifying. From homeowners perspective, it coulda been more bad guys at the front door, can't hear, got flashlights in your eye. He moved his hand with gun and got popped.

    Lot's of pros and cons here, as is with most anything.

    I have a can in jail coming soon for 300bo pistol that i'll use for HD, i might add a suppressor for a home pistol as well after thinking about the pros/cons. I already got tinnitus, want to keep what hearing I have.

    Good input on this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I don't think my department would have ever had an issue with a silenced pistol (legally owned) used for home defense. As @Havok said, a good shoot is a good shoot. I wouldn't mind legally owning one, but I'm just too lazy to go through the hassle.

    And then there is the issue of having more than just one weapon in our home for defense. 12 gauge and AR would also require one. I prefer a set of the quality ear protectors that have a microphone that amplifies all sounds and excludes gunshots. That gives me the ability to actually hear better that a normal human, and hearing a home invader is a definite advantage.
    My thinking also/how I roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonCents View Post
    Yeah for sure Old Chap, but the case i was thinking of was some perp was in his house assaulting his daughter, homeowner fired, perp ran out with cops at door, homeowner prob disoriented, cant hear, and I think LE were just shouting put gun down, not clearly identifying. From homeowners perspective, it coulda been more bad guys at the front door, can't hear, got flashlights in your eye. He moved his hand with gun and got popped.

    Lot's of pros and cons here, as is with most anything.

    I have a can in jail coming soon for 300bo pistol that i'll use for HD, i might add a suppressor for a home pistol as well after thinking about the pros/cons. I already got tinnitus, want to keep what hearing I have.

    Good input on this thread!
    You can scenario the issue to death. There are all sorts of things that you shouldn't do when a SWAT team is at the door. Getting killed is a major mistake, but is not a scenario I've ever witnessed when officers see empty hands. It just isn't often, if ever, attributed to "he just couldn't hear." IMHO the best solution - one easily applied to every gun in the house, is a set of amplified hearing protectors. Just me though.

    One thing is absolutely true. In my 10 years, I never saw a bad guy wearing ear protectors. Not really the sort of thing they do!
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    How does one feel about a Para 45 15+1 .45? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about a 17+1 9mm? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about Night Sights? Could be considered offensive (stalking in dark), even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about an AR with a 30 round mag? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about a 12 Gauge riot shotgun? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about 230 Gr +P HP .45 ACP ammo? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    How does one feel about 125 Gr HP 357 Magnum ammo? Could be considered overkill, even though it's legal.

    You get the idea. If it's legal, don't worry about it. Lots of armchair prosecutors here.
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