Is it just my imagination?

Is it just my imagination?

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    Is it just my imagination?

    Something I have puzzled over, but yet to ask until now. This may be a stupid question (I've got a million of them) but it seems to me that on most (if not all) of the firearms I own, the trigger is easier to pull when the weapon is not loaded than when it is. Is this just my imagination, or is this an accurate perception on my part? I've noticed this on both rifles and handguns.

    Hoping someone here can either tell me I am nuts, or provide a good explanation of why I perceive this to be so.
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    Maybe anticipation of recoil, blast, and focus on aiming (holding steady) while pulling the trigger make it seem heavier when shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Something I have puzzled over, but yet to ask until now. This may be a stupid question (I've got a million of them) but it seems to me that on most (if not all) of the firearms I own, the trigger is easier to pull when the weapon is not loaded than when it is. Is this just my imagination, or is this an accurate perception on my part? I've noticed this on both rifles and handguns.

    Hoping someone here can either tell me I am nuts, or provided a good explanation of why I perceive this to be so.
    I think your perception is correct, and is a symptom of what is known as Target panic. Target panic is a real condition that is not necessarily a real issue for good shooting, but, it is the subconscious telling you that a loaded gun trigger pull perceived as “ this is it, it’s going to go bang “ and the more relaxed mental state you have when you know nothing is going to happen.
    I’m not qualified to articulate how this effects the muscles that effect your movement, such as your grip and squeeze, but there is a psychological effect.

    I really, really hate to agree with @CDW4ME but I believe his assessment is in the ball park:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Something I have puzzled over, but yet to ask until now. This may be a stupid question (I've got a million of them) but it seems to me that on most (if not all) of the firearms I own, the trigger is easier to pull when the weapon is not loaded than when it is. Is this just my imagination, or is this an accurate perception on my part? I've noticed this on both rifles and handguns.

    Hoping someone here can either tell me I am nuts, or provided a good explanation of why I perceive this to be so.
    I would suggest an experiment. Load up a few mags, with each containing a snap cap in included. Fire each round slowly and carefully. Pay close attention to the trigger pull and muzzle movement prior to discharge. When you get to the snap cap, your puzzlement will probably be solved.
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    I don't notice any difference in any of my guns between dry firing and live shooting, but I'm not recoil sensitive at all, so there's very little in the way of anticipation other than paying attention to the breaking point when firing the first round of a session, or switching guns.
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    I have a hunting rifle that has a lighter trigger pull when there is a cartridge in the chamber. The best I can tell the bolt rides on the case when its loaded and when its empty the bolt closes about .002 more. Just enough to lean on the sear a little. I have a trigger pull gauge, and it shows almost a 1/2 lb more. it's very noticable. None of my other guns do that though. DR
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerranger View Post
    I have a hunting rifle that has a lighter trigger pull when there is a cartridge in the chamber. The best I can tell the bolt rides on the case when its loaded and when its empty the bolt closes about .002 more. Just enough to lean on the sear a little. I have a trigger pull gauge, and it shows almost a 1/2 lb more. it's very noticable. None of my other guns do that though. DR
    Sounds like a very logical thing. This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I will have to do some tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Loaded gun or not, you're still nuts.
    Now that's not a very original accusation....
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Now that's not a very original accusation....
    More like an independent observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerranger View Post
    I have a hunting rifle that has a lighter trigger pull when there is a cartridge in the chamber. The best I can tell the bolt rides on the case when its loaded and when its empty the bolt closes about .002 more. Just enough to lean on the sear a little. I have a trigger pull gauge, and it shows almost a 1/2 lb more. it's very noticable. None of my other guns do that though. DR
    I was just going to comment on this , what mechanical difference would there be with the gun loaded , I suppose this could be one answer,

    I've never noticed the triggers being different loaded or unloaded, what I have noticed is the difference in recoil of the firearm while target shooting, compared to shooting while competing or hunting , I'm completely tuned into what I'm doing but with completely different tasks at hand , while shooting the target I feel the recoil each time , while hunting etc I don't really notice it

    Knowing the gun is empty vs ready to go , I would think falls in the same category ...
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    Get a trigger gauge and a snapcap. Then you'll know for sure and don't have to fire any live rounds to test.
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