This is a discussion on Do active shooter incident like El Paso make you reconsider your CCW choices? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; No. My EDC is predicated on risk, capacity, and likelihood of the type of encounter. I'm not about to engage an active shooter if I ...
No. My EDC is predicated on risk, capacity, and likelihood of the type of encounter. I'm not about to engage an active shooter if I can avoid it, and even less of a chance if I am clearly at a disadvantage with a shooter using a long gun.
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Why am I carrying? In case somebody(s) try to kill me.
If somebody(s) was trying to kill me would I prefer something minimal to defend myself with? NO
I carry a pistol I'd prefer to have in hand if I had to defend myself. Examples: Glock 19/23/35/41 or a full size 1911
Its not hard to conceal a Glock 19 (and spare mag) with minimal clothing, cargo shorts, a-frame (wife beater) and a cover shirt.
I'm not going out in public wearing less clothing than that.
I'm already carrying something "decent" as a primary pistol.
I'm not inclined to disarm for a concert, game, (entertainment) and I ain't going on a plane or cruise.
"Wouldn't want to or Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.
I carry a LCPii around the house/property, to restaurants & Lowes. But when I go to WalMart or any other place that seems sketchy, I carry my Sig P365.
SIG P365, Walther PPS 9mm, Ruger LCP ii; Wife's: Sig P238, LCP ii, Remington 11-87 20G
doesn't mater which of my pistols I've got with me I have 2 spare mags with me also, ( P64 pocket pistol just one spare, very rare is it carried on it's own) so I have from 24-45 round of .357 .40 or .45 on me and I'm still going to leave the area unless cornered...then I will fight until I can run or lose
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In the handgun vs. rifle debate, it's only a disadvantage if rifle guy brings his muzzle effectively to bear and pulls the trigger first. A good first round hit with any handgun will effectively negate much of the perceived and actual advantage of the rifle.
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Reinforces my notion that I prefer to carry full-size and weight"fightin'" handguns rather than small and light stunted handguns.
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I already carry the most gun I can shoot well given the circumstances. As others have said, I'm not going to choose to take on a rifle armed maniac with a pistol if I have other choices (evade, escape) but I WILL protect my own if necessary. Accurate fire at distance is NOT the strength of the handgun (ease of carry, weight, concealability, those are) but it IS the strength of the rifle. In large stores and parking lots the rifleman has the advantage unless he happens to be close to you and focused away from you. Under conditions like he walks past your concealed position and turns away from you the shot with a pistol is probably worth taking,
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No...Not based on the way these things seem to play out.
No, but these events have increased family discussions about SA and reactions as an event unfolds, namely; exits, cover, escape etc....
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To answer the question...no, it doesn't change my CCW choice. But on another note, Texas is an open carry state and I have seen pictures of individuals carrying semi-automatic rifles. If one, or more, of these lawful open carry individuals would have been there could they have dispatched the active shooter more effectively? Just confused the rest of us and police? Killed or wounded innocent bystanders? We're all not perfect shooters in a heated confrontation. Know your target and what's behind it I've heard somewhere. Maybe it's not so much what we carry but the situation we're faced with and how reasonable we handle it.
No reason to change anything for me.
5 round, 357 mag, 1-3 reloads around the house and around "the valley".
17 round, 9mm, spare mag when going "over the hill" into town.
Same 9mm with more mags and ammo when traveling 5-6 days a week.
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1. They're extremely rare events, despite the massive coverage. More people will die in car accidents TODAY than have died in 2019 thus far in mass shootings.
2. Most of these situations play out at ranges well within compact pistol range
3. Unless you're the first one shot, you generally have the tactical advantage at that point, many targets in every direction, (usually) only 1 shooter from a very obvious direction.
4. Now that I primarily work from home, I generally am with my family when out, which means my priority would be on escorting them out rather than moving towards the shooter and engaging.