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    I've carried mainly striker fired handguns ever since I was legal to own and carry handguns, never had any problems with unintentional or otherwise negligent discharges. I've carried a Glock 19 more specifically in every conceivable manner (IWB, OWB, shoulder, and Smart Carry) without issue. This was before I switched to the H&K VP9 which has essentially the same manual of arms as the Glock so making the switch had minimal learning curve. The biggest thing is trigger discipline and periodically performing inspections on your firearm to ensure its in working order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Western View Post
    Interesting... I would think most people reholster without altering their grip, so wouldn't that result in the XD grip safety being depressed while reholstering?
    Yes, that is exactly what happens. That's why I believe it is primarily useless. I own an XDM 4.5. Love the gun.

    In the end, it has the same safety as my revolvers do, my finger. As long as I am careful holstering, as JD mentioned, not to get anything in the trigger guard, there is no danger to myself. I prefer to use guns without safeties. Less for me to think about when I need to fire my gun. Up to this point in my life, and hopefully only, for hunting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Western View Post
    Interesting... I would think most people reholster without altering their grip, so wouldn't that result in the XD grip safety being depressed while reholstering?
    If one is prone to "thumb capping" the slide as one does with a hammer fired gun or SCD equipped Glock, the web of the hand comes off the grip safety of an XD.

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    This is the reason I've never owned a Glock and doubt I ever will. I have four XD's and feel perfectly comfortable with them because they have the grip safety. Some claim that they "don't want a stupid safety getting in the way," but I would much rather have to deal with that so-called "additional step" than risk an ND.

    The Glock and (most) M&P's only have a trigger safety. Now tell me, how is that going to prevent an ND when holstering if something snags the trigger? It's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Western View Post
    Interesting... I would think most people reholster without altering their grip, so wouldn't that result in the XD grip safety being depressed while reholstering?
    No. You wrap your fingers around the front strap while your thumb holds the slide forward. It's very simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    This is the reason I've never owned a Glock and doubt I ever will. I have four XD's and feel perfectly comfortable with them because they have the grip safety. Some claim that they "don't want a stupid safety getting in the way," but I would much rather have to deal with that so-called "additional step" than risk an ND.

    The Glock and (most) M&P's only have a trigger safety. Now tell me, how is that going to prevent an ND when holstering if something snags the trigger? It's not.
    When you holster an XD/S/M, you lift just enough so as not to engage the grip safety....how is that any different than knowing what is between your firearm's trigger (say a Glock's) and the holster? They are all just different sides to the same coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDiablo View Post
    When you holster an XD/S/M, you lift just enough so as not to engage the grip safety....how is that any different than knowing what is between your firearm's trigger (say a Glock's) and the holster? They are all just different sides to the same coin.
    Not quite. The cup of my hand isn't resting on the grip safety. In fact, it's pretty much suspended while the thumb holds the slide in place. With a Glock, it doesn't matter where the cup of your hand is or where your thumb is. If something snags the trigger, it goes "bang."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    Not quite. The cup of my hand isn't resting on the grip safety. In fact, it's pretty much suspended while the thumb holds the slide in place. With a Glock, it doesn't matter where the cup of your hand is or where your thumb is. If something snags the trigger, it goes "bang."
    You're missing the point...by knowing where the cup of your hand is you are deliberating taking action to avoid a negligent discharge. The same goes for a non-grip safety striker fired weapon...know where the trigger is in relation to what is between it and the holster as you holster...both deliberate acts designed to avoid a negligent discharge. Now I know you'll likely say but with the XD you have an intervening action to avoid the negligent discharge but the thought process and deliberateness is the same in general terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDiablo View Post
    You're missing the point...by knowing where the cup of your hand is you are deliberating taking action to avoid a negligent discharge. The same goes for a non-grip safety striker fired weapon...know where the trigger is in relation to what is between it and the holster as you holster...both deliberate acts designed to avoid a negligent discharge. Now I know you'll likely say but with the XD you have an intervening action to avoid the negligent discharge but the thought process and deliberateness is the same in general terms.
    I understand where you're coming from. But at the same time, I still believe that the addition of a grip safety adds a layer of security. Even if something were to snag the trigger on one of my XD's, it's still not going to fire unless that same "something" also depresses the grip safety.

    As I said in another thread....

    1. A gun is a mechanical device.
    2. Any mechanical device can malfunction.
    3. Human beings aren't infallible.

    I believe it was in the thread about AIWB carry. I won't own a pistol without any manual safety for the same reason I don't carry AIWB: "unlikely" does not equate to "impossible."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    If one is prone to "thumb capping" the slide as one does with a hammer fired gun or SCD equipped Glock, the web of the hand comes off the grip safety of an XD.

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    Ahh, "the old thumb over the end of the slide trick". Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    If one is prone to "thumb capping" the slide as one does with a hammer fired gun or SCD equipped Glock, the web of the hand comes off the grip safety of an XD.
    Exactly. On any non-1911 pistol, I always hold the thumb forward when holstering because otherwise, the slide can ride backwards from the friction of the holster. And like you said, this automatically takes the web of the hand off the grip safety.

    With a Glock or a non-safety model M&P (and a few others), all it would take to cause an ND is something catching the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    Take a more direct approach. Buy a striker fired gun with a manual safety.
    My striker-fired edc has a manual safety. Along with 100 % trigger discipline, it gives me a second failure node.

    (Full disclosure, I used to work in risk assessment and analysis.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    No. You wrap your fingers around the front strap while your thumb holds the slide forward. It's very simple.
    A proper grip technique is what is needed to disengage the XD grip safety so one can fire a round, and many well trained shooters don't alter their grip when reholstering, so what you're saying is, one DOES have to alter their grip a bit to re-engage that XD grip safety. I'm not addressing the ease or difficulty of doing that, just that it must be done in order to re-engage the grip safety. NOT altering my grip means the grip safety stays depressed, in which case any object accidentally pressing the trigger could cause a discharge.

    The grip safety doesn't bother me, but I'd never buy anything from them because of the lobbying they did back in 2017 in favor of the bill that eventually passed, that caused a huge number of licensed dealers to go under this year. That was really self serving of them.

    I'll stick with my Glocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Western View Post
    A proper grip technique is what is needed to disengage the XD grip safety so one can fire a round, and many well trained shooters don't alter their grip when reholstering, so what you're saying is, one DOES have to alter their grip a bit to re-engage that XD grip safety. I'm not addressing the ease or difficulty of doing that, just that it must be done in order to re-engage the grip safety. NOT altering my grip means the grip safety stays depressed, in which case any object accidentally pressing the trigger could cause a discharge.
    I'm not arguing that point. Yes, if the grip safety is depressed when holstering and something snags the trigger, the gun fires. But..... at least it gives you the OPTION of holstering in a manner that doesn't depress the safety, thereby preventing an ND. A Glock doesn't give one that option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Western View Post
    The grip safety doesn't bother me, but I'd never buy anything from them because of the lobbying they did back in 2017 in favor of the bill that eventually passed, that caused a huge number of licensed dealers to go under this year. That was really self serving of them.
    I've heard that story. But for my own selfish purposes, I like Springfield and plan to not only keep mine but possibly buy more someday.
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    First off, nearly all striker fired pistols are DAO designs. While a few could best be called hybrids of a type, such as the Smith & Wesson M&P family, most are double action only pistols. And while it is also true that most of these do not have second strike capability, that does not mean the are something other than DAO pistols. Remember, a handgun's action designation relies solely upon the tasks performed by the trigger assembly.
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