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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    One and the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonp67 View Post
    That man likes to ruin fine companies
    And he's pretty good at it.
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    From what I've seen, 1911's run best chambered in 45. The 9mm's can be iffy. Naturally, the more you spend, the better chance you have of getting one that runs.

    My WC CQB's in 45 have been splendid but they are heavy and give up a lot in capacity to a poly double stack 9. And believe it or not, it is possible to shoot striker fired 9's very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonp67 View Post
    Some folks regurgitate & some folks have both knowledge and experience.

    If you’re buying a range toy to shoot a couple thousand rounds a year MIM will likely last you & do you fine. If you’re shooting 40,000 plus rounds a year you may well form a different opinion & have different experiences. If you shoot it regularly because you want to train with your carry gun, implying you’re carrying this gun & your life may depend on it well then, if you want to save a few dollars for that manufacturer go right ahead.


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    Lol. See this is what I’m talking about. You say “for a range toy”, And you probably have no idea how many guns use MIM parts.
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    Of the dozen + 1911s I've had, I've had the most trouble with Kimber with a total of four guns being problematic and requiring everything short of exorcism.

    Never again.

    The only sub $2k guns I'd be looking at, especially in 9mm would be Dan Wesson and STI.

    And even then I'd toss the mags and buy all Wilsons.



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    This gets an honorable mention.

    I just wish Springfield would make the TRP in 9mm or checker the front strap on the RO line.

    But for under $900 and with BlackT, I could possibly look past the lack of checkering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonp67 View Post
    There are literally hundreds if not thousands of pages on MIM quality vs tool steel - which I won’t summarize here. Suffice it to say MIM was adopted by manufacturers as a cost saving move not to improve quality. There is well made MIM and poor MIM, Springfield uses both and which you get depends on your luck.
    Hmmm...

    MIM parts are used in hot section parts in gas turbine engines, so I guess it must not be very good.

    Just like the "cast vs forged" debate. If cast parts were so routinely low strength or quality, someone forgot to tell Ruger (one of the top makers of investment cast parts in the country) and Fabrique Nationale, who fixed the slide cracking problem on the .40 Hi Power by going from forged to - merde alors! - cast slides.

    Funny how the internet never gets lit up when a tool steel extractor or firing pin breaks, but lord a'mighty, if the part happens to be made with the MIM process, it's the devil's spawn.

    The truth is in bold face. Same holds true for tool steel, or parts made of any material by any process. Design, material and fabrication process need to be appropriate to the task. FWIW, I've put 3 Springfield 1911s through tens of thousands of rounds and the only internal parts that ever broke were extractors (which I consider a normal replacement part).
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    It’s best not to get to caught up in MIM talk. We trust our lives to it all the time.

    All manufacturers have issues from time to time. Not all handle it the same way.
    Other issues are operator induced, but the gun gets blamed.

    I’ve had two Sig 1911 “Style” pistols. One was flawless...sold it, idiot me.
    The other couldn’t get through two mags without issue. Yet anyone else that shot it found it to function perfectly. Drove me nuts. I couldn’t blame the gun.

    Turns out, I was limp wristing it. All steel like my other one, but it didn’t like me. But I can shoot my sons Colt Defender that weighs a lot less, and never have an issue. I can’t limp wrist that Defender even purposely!

    If my budget was $1,200, I would probably go with a Wesson in 38 super.
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    For 1911s, I like owning Colts. No good reason other than I just like 'em. I've had no experience owning and wringing out other brands of 1911-guns. I've shot lots of other brands 1911s belonging to other folks and my finger is not discerning enough to truly tell the difference blindfolded.

    I have shot enough through a couple of late model Colt guns to say that they have been well-mannered and nothing has broken to this point. I don't like the notion of MIM parts but gasmitty and others here on the Forum have schooled me so that I've come to believe MIM doesn't always matter. I've not changed out any "inferior" MIM or plastic triggers on the Colts and they haven't yet had a melt down. Of course it could be because I've been lazy about parts swapping. I've not been hard on them but have shot them a goodly amount.

    A 1911 is a very enjoyable gun to own and shoot ... a lot! Messing with them is fraught with more difficulties than leaving them be, unless messing with them is intended to become one's hobby. I have observed perfectly good and reliable 1911s reduced to malfunctioning rubbish by nitwits. This was early in a shooting career and I vowed to avoid doing the same. Leaving 'em alone and just shooting 'em has worked out alright for me.
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    "A 1911 is a very enjoyable gun to own and shoot ... a lot! Messing with them is fraught with more difficulties than leaving them be, unless messing with them is intended to become one's hobby. I have observed perfectly good and reliable 1911s reduced to malfunctioning rubbish by nitwits. This was early in a shooting career and I vowed to avoid doing the same. Leaving 'em alone and just shooting 'em has worked out alright for me." -- @bmcgilvray

    I'm not a born "messer" or fiddler or tinkerer. I plan on learning to field strip, clean, etc. as one does with any pistol, but that's about it. I'll take my new 1911 to my local gunsmith when it needs further attention. That's one of the main reasons I haven't gotten involved with 1911s -- seen and read about too many people "messing" with 'em and then not having a reliable weapon. I already have friends telling me to take a triangle file to the slide stop of my Commander, and I haven't even received it yet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    Of the dozen + 1911s I've had, I've had the most trouble with Kimber with a total of four guns being problematic and requiring everything short of exorcism.
    Hey, John Wick used a Kimber! But he got it for free from a bum, so there's that.

    I have no experience with them at all, but I've noted that prices have come down a lot - not sure if that reflects quality, or just an attempt to grab market share with budget offerings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    Hey, John Wick used a Kimber! But he got it for free from a bum, so there's that.

    I have no experience with them at all, but I've noted that prices have come down a lot - not sure if that reflects quality, or just an attempt to grab market share with budget offerings.
    I think that the Springfield Defender shook up the market. Having RIA sell a well functioning 1911 for under $400 was one thing, as a lot of people just wouldn't trust something made in the Philippines (their loss!). But to have a made in the USA well known brand 1911 for available for about $500? Kimber had to do something. That something appears to be their Custom Lightweight LW line that have been selling for under $600 with a lot of features standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    Of the dozen + 1911s I've had, I've had the most trouble with Kimber with a total of four guns being problematic and requiring everything short of exorcism.

    Never again.
    I've had 4 Kimber's and never had a problem with any of them. Currently carry one and don't think about it failing. For the money mentioned, my Kimber TLE was ideal. I merely upgraded it to a CDP. Both are full size.
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    You can get some great 1911s for less than $600.
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    I've never regretted the purchase of a Colt 1911. YMMV
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