Help me understand this weapon's place in the firearms pantheon.....

Help me understand this weapon's place in the firearms pantheon.....

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    Ok, its got a 3.5in barrel so its in the SC barrel length. It's 9mm so its not particularly powerful. It has a sliding stock that you aren't supposed to be able to shoulder. It's technically a pistol but its far too big to CC. What on Earth is this weapon and what would it be good for other than plinking?

    Oh, and it runs $1500.
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    Looks like it's meant for a bug-out bag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    Looks like it's meant for a bug-out bag?
    Ok, but what advantage does a 3.5in weapon like that have over a concealable pistol like a PPQ, M&P, Beretta, of even [shudder] a Glock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Ok, but what advantage does a 3.5in weapon like that have over a concealable pistol like a PPQ, M&P, Beretta, of even [shudder] a Glock?
    Looks cooler!
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    I guess bug out bag is a good idea. So that would mean its compactness.

    Not for me as I would want some more barrel to it if I have some bulky like that.
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    Rember this is the netured USA model as a mil gun it makes sense it is a compact SMG/PDW which wile somewhat overshadowed by the M4 etc still have a place for some military/police etc .


    As a non NFA USA gun I would say as a compact car gun or truck gun /bug out gun it would be a-ok ..Same role as the other neutered "pistol" PDW out there the MP5 clones the Evo etc etc
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    I'm kind of interested in a AR pistol, but I want an 8" inch barrel to at least preserve normal 9mm ballistics. A 3.5"? Nah, I'll pass.
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    Home defense, though I'd prefer at least a 7" barrel. And don't knock the 9mm. It holds its own in real world shooting events, per Elefritz's study.
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    To shoot and enjoy perhaps?
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    The theory would be to have something off body, yet still concealable, that you could fight with in extremis, that would be able to fire with more accuracy and volume than an on body carried EDC.

    That model would not be my first choice, A .300B with 9" Bbl and brace would. It's getting you a "rifle" in a bag/briefcase/backpack. That by the letter of the law/on paper is still a pistol.
    The gun pictured could be reasonable, the barrel does not need to be that short, why not take the advantage of increased ballistics in 9mm from whatever length would be optimal, yet still compact enough to conceal in a bag.

    I may say officially: Yeah, my .300 B pistol is a toy, but in training and certainly in a fight that weapon is getting shouldered... in theory.
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    Even though it's a Sig I would pass, my solution was a 10.5" 5.56 with the pistol brace
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPS1980 View Post
    Ok, but what advantage does a 3.5in weapon like that have over a concealable pistol like a PPQ, M&P, Beretta, of even [shudder] a Glock?
    The mechanics of firing it like a rifle, three points of contact makes you much more efficient.
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    It would be more useful in a select fire version, but the semi- version would still work pretty well as a personal defense weapon for inside-the-home defense, and easier to control. It would be highly maneuverable in tight spaces and probably give more practical accuracy if you use both hands. The classic SMGs like the Mac or MP-5 also fired pistol cartridges and (IIRC) as a class were considered a special tool; good for entry, clearing, and suppression.

    Personally, If I'm going to a long arm I think I'd want a little more gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew03 View Post
    The theory would be to have something off body, yet still concealable, that you could fight with in extremis, that would be able to fire with more accuracy and volume than an on body carried EDC.

    That model would not be my first choice, A .300B with 9" Bbl and brace would. It's getting you a "rifle" in a bag/briefcase/backpack. That by the letter of the law/on paper is still a pistol.
    The gun pictured could be reasonable, the barrel does not need to be that short, why not take the advantage of increased ballistics in 9mm from whatever length would be optimal, yet still compact enough to conceal in a bag.

    I may say officially: Yeah, my .300 B pistol is a toy, but in training and certainly in a fight that weapon is getting shouldered... in theory.
    I hear you and tend to agree. To me 9mm in a 3.5in barrel gets you nothing but a big PITA to lug around without any real benefit if you are a competent pistol shot. A rifle cartridge on the other hand ups your effectiveness and is essentially the same size and weight as this thing. Sorry, but I see stuff like this and genuinely wonder - am I missing something or is this a tacti-cool piece of BS? If it were a SMG that would be different, obviously. But its a semi-auto, 9mm, and is huge compared to other 9mm's with longer barrels and the same # of rounds available per magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holster View Post
    To shoot and enjoy perhaps?
    As I said - plinking. I have loads of weapons that can do that and are actually practical.
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