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    You're arms are (gulp!) 3 feet long? The male average is 25".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    You're arms are (gulp!) 3 feet long? The male average is 25".
    25" plus the Buntline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqlb3rn View Post
    There is a good 3 feet of distance between sticking your gun out in your strong hand vs using your off-hand and keeping the gun tucked in by your ribs. If you've ever done any boxing or had any kind of martial arts training, you should realize that's quite a big difference.
    As I mentioned,

    Touching distance is inner circle, enter mine at your own risks if you are threatening my life in any way. Off hand, gun hand, no matter. Inside the inner circle, you risk being injured or killed for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    As I mentioned,

    Touching distance is inner circle, enter mine at your own risks if you are threatening my life in any way. Off hand, gun hand, no matter. Inside the inner circle, you risk being injured or killed for your efforts.

    I have NO time in a dojo, training. I've received martial skills from other sources.
    It's hard to get an accurate shot off when you are seeing stars, unable to breath and being slammed backwards. Talk about a distraction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    It's hard to get an accurate shot off when you are seeing stars, unable to breath and being slammed backwards. Talk about a distraction...
    Resetting their ooda at the earliest opportunity is preferable to acquiescing to their demands. You either take charge of your own destiny or allow others to command yours.

    The title of the thread concerns distractions. Distractions are merely examples of trying to reset their ooda. That may or may not work, depending on what BG one runs into. As that's an unknown, I'd still prefer to work with knowns, those being my ability to control my inner circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    Does anyone remember Paul Newman's role as a street cop in "Fort Apache, The Bronx"? While, if memory serves, the BG didn't have the drop on him, he immediately went into a very convincing babbling, drooling maniac. The BG was so stupefied, the tables were turned. Of course, Newman was an Academy Award winning actor & it was a movie. Soooo, your results may...vary.
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    Most experienced folks will tell you that the best decision is a SNAP decision. Going instantly from meek, cooperative & frightened to a kicked hornet's nest of urgently required decisions from the assailant's POV. That moves you from the defense to the offense (much tougher spot for HIM!). And, before anyone suggests that could get me killed, I agree. Yet if he's THAT ready & prepared to shoot? I've got very little to lose...anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    You're arms are (gulp!) 3 feet long? The male average is 25".
    If you hold out your left hand, and then tuck your right hand against your ribcage, it's probably about 3 feet. Of course, I'm just estimating, I didn't bust a out a yard stick. As any fan of MMA will tell you, inches of reach makes a big difference in hand to hand combat (ie: a disarm). I'm not getting anything useful out of this off topic conversation, so I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqlb3rn View Post
    If you hold out your left hand, and then tuck your right hand against your ribcage, it's probably about 3 feet. Of course, I'm just guessing I didn't bust a out a yard stick. As any fan of MMA will tell you, inches of reach makes a big difference in hand to hand combat (ie: a disarm).
    IMHO, bust out your yardstick. And, as an AAU boxer (long ago), I'm 5'9" with a 6' arm span (yep, my favorite chair is a spare tire hangin' from the ceiling), so I comPLETELY understand your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqlb3rn View Post
    If you hold out your left hand, and then tuck your right hand against your ribcage, it's probably about 3 feet. Of course, I'm just estimating, I didn't bust a out a yard stick. As any fan of MMA will tell you, inches of reach makes a big difference in hand to hand combat (ie: a disarm). I'm not getting anything useful out of this off topic conversation, so I'm out.
    24" with closed fist, 28" to finger tips. Had a yardstick handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqlb3rn View Post
    If you hold out your left hand, and then tuck your right hand against your ribcage, it's probably about 3 feet. Of course, I'm just guessing I didn't bust a out a yard stick. As any fan of MMA will tell you, inches of reach makes a big difference in hand to hand combat (ie: a disarm).
    Yes, about three feet if the body is bladed and the non-gripping hand is extended to frisk. MMA has many limitations which don't apply in defense against a mugging or armed robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonB77 View Post
    Definitely maybe on all of the above.
    Who knows and every situation is different. I don't have the training to disarm the perp. I'll be the first to tell you that. But if I can create a distraction and clear leather I like my chances a lot better than just being a sitting duck.

    I would much rather the distraction come from some place other than me. That may or may not present itself.

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    You don't have the training to disarm a perp and most here don't either...despite the facades that are put forward. Most here and I do mean MOST...would probably get their ass shot off trying to disarm a perp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootnlead View Post
    You don't have the training to disarm a perp and most here don't either...despite the facades that are put forward. Most here and I do mean MOST...would probably get their ass shot off trying to disarm a perp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootnlead View Post
    You don't have the training to disarm a perp and most here don't either...despite the facades that are put forward. Most here and I do mean MOST...would probably get their ass shot off trying to disarm a perp.
    I don't believe the majority of ccwers would attempt a disarm to begin with. When it comes right down to it, a man knows inside what he's made of, what if any skills he actually owns vs those he may suggest he owns.

    All this talk of distractions, how much time will one have if a distraction actually works? More importantly how fast one can acquire their concealed firearm and get a shot off. If most can't get a shot off in under 1.5 seconds from concealed, and many are closer to 2 seconds to get their first round off, that distraction will have to last at least that long.

    1.5-2.0 seconds might feel like a lifetime while relying on distraction.
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    Well, I agree with Brownie's statement. Reaction times also slow with age, this must be accounted for. Training to disarm, and PRACTICE if so inclined.
    Distractions and opportunities are very dynamic. No one has yet mentioned moving off the line during the distraction. May be handy. Remember, dynamic situation!
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