You lost me at "spare mag."
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If you carry a spare mag [ for your semi ], do you know how much time between last round fired, drop that mag, reinsert a fresh mag and fire another round from the second mag?
1 second reload
2 second reload
3 second reload
Mine is timed at 1.5 or slightly less to recharge and fire from the second mag on threat. In 1.5 seconds, if I'd not run out of ammo and had to make a MANDATORY reload, I can fire another 7 rds on threat
Revo carriers, what's your reload time with a speed loader/speed strip? I'd have to guess it's longer than a semi reload.
Things to ponder when deciding between single stack and double stack semi's.
You lost me at "spare mag."
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My EDC magazine or speed strip is usually intended more for an administrative rather than tactical reload. Maybe 10 - 15 seconds?
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Don't know my reload times semi or revolver.
I have troubles working the timer because when I'm reloading I'm also doing a tactical backflip!
Who wants to have to make a mandatory reload when incoming is ongoing?
My spare mag is inside my BUG. Experimentation showed that my drawing the BUG is just as fast as me doing a mag change but eliminates any chance of fumbling that mag change. Not to mention if the stoppage is because my primary malfed a mag change might not fix that anyway but the BUG will put me back in business.
Unfortunately there are many gun owners who will still shop at Wal Mart even though they know Wal Mart partnered with Everytown for Gun Safety just because it is convenient and they can save a few bucks.
Don't know the numbers, but it's as fast as I can. Efficiently. Either semi or revolver.
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As I've previously stated on this forum and else where my EDC is a S&W Shield 9X19mm with a (8-Rd) capacity. Also carried is a spare magazine also of (8-Rd) capacity. In my seventh decade I'm sure as hell not in the military or law enforcement thus I'm on the citizen/civilian side of the equation. I believe if recollection serves me correctly you dot not have a high opinion of Tom Givens thus we may have to agree to disagree.
Givens book titled Fighting Smarter A Practical Guide For Surviving Violent Confrontations, Chapter 13 Training Priorities eludes to FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration's agents and Givens students (65) that have been involved in gunfights. If you are inclined to believe Givens research the number of shots fired is a surprisingly low round count.
My spare magazine is primarily a back up to the primary magazine inserted in the pistol should the primary magazine malfunction. Since I practice avoidance (all most like a religion) of stupid people, places and things my whish is to never be in a gun fight. Be that is it may you can't predict the future!
I've never timed my reloads , but after competing in a few matches I practiced my auto and revolver reloadings trying to shave off some time off the timers....
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Claude Werner's study of 482 actual, documented non-LEO gunfights found only three situations where defenders reloaded, or 0.6% of the time. And one of those was a guy trying to stop an escaped tiger with a .32 auto. He succeeded, BTW, after 13 shots. So I am much more worried about ensuring I don't have to shoot to begin with, but if I do, the effect of my shots before I might need a reload. To me, reload times are not something I would ever worry about.
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I normally practice reloads during El Presidente's or V-Drills, when I run 5 plates, reload and run them backwards. We used to have to do "reloads with retention" on the clock in IDPA, which was a skill unto itself. Now with the rule changes everyone just doubles up on a target or 2 and goes to slide lock and dumps the empty. As a coincidence I just got finished running shotgun reloads...got a 3Gun match in the morning and shotgun reloads are positively my weakest skill.
Practicality...not so sure about, but I did have an instructor say that "If you're going to practice, we can assume at some point your gun will run dry. So you might as well reload it the right way." So since I'm practicing anyway, and the gun does run dry..........I also find that working reloads helps prevent that whole "squeezing the trigger with the slide locked back and a goofy look on your face" type moments.
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My thoughts on it are that there are more important things to concentrate one’s precious practice time on. A timer on the range is good for setting a standard, but is not indicative of what happens when the shtf.
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