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This is a discussion on Don't always aim to shoot tiny groups within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by glockman10mm Actually, that statement demonstrates some ignorance. First of all, to say that long distance practice is not related to self defense, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Actually, that statement demonstrates some ignorance.

    First of all, to say that long distance practice is not related to self defense, is a blanket statement, and rather a foolish one at that, clearly corrected and debunked by several actual cases.

    Additionally, long distance shooting is good for the ego; it’s what those in the know refer to as a “ confidence booster”, which is a very important tool in the teaching and development of basic skills. Obviously you do not understand that shooting is by far a mental exercise.

    There are "several" documented cases where someone shot someone else at 100 yards with a pistol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    There are "several" documented cases where someone shot someone else at 100 yards with a pistol?
    The media would have a field day on that one....I can hear it now..." VIGILANTE" with handgun sprays bullets in direction of shooter
    at 100 yds adding to the chaos......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    There are "several" documented cases where someone shot someone else at 100 yards with a pistol?
    I believe the wording I used was “ distance”, with the context being beyond what one would consider average. You are free to interject whatever that means to you.

    But yes, I can think of at least 2 where the shots was made either at, or very close to 100 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    Actually ignorance is using a tool not designed for the job....If one wants to be a hero and lob bullets at 100 yds with a handgun to stop a threat
    then they should be prepared to explain it to a jury...Or better yet tell the jury your intentions was to stop the threat and not hit a bystander in the process
    of being a hero....Assuming we are still talking self defense.
    Been over this many time. There are instance that have happened where long distance shots have been made out of necessity
    Look it up.

    The rest is nothing but opinion and strawman arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novarider View Post
    There are "several" documented cases where someone shot someone else at 100 yards with a pistol?
    Andy Brown and Brandon Moore, guys I've met and/or had conversations with, both effectively engaged AK-wielding assailants at distances of over seventy yards with their issue pistols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Andy Brown and Brandon Moore, guys I've met and/or had conversations with, both effectively engaged AK-wielding assailants at distances of over seventy yards with their issue pistols.
    And the guy who drilled the man shooting at a police officer, I can’t remember his name.....But he used a 357, iirc
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    Even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut....Anyone who wants to test their skills during chaos at 100 yds....knock yourself
    out...Best of luck to ya and your attorney....Hopefully it all works out for ya and after the media has already convicted you...Hopefully you
    can go about a sort of normal life.....I cant remember the guy but i know it has been done is not a good argument....It is a exception to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    Even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut....Anyone who wants to test their skills during chaos at 100 yds....knock yourself
    out...Best of luck to ya and your attorney....Hopefully it all works out for ya and after the media has already convicted you...Hopefully you
    can go about a sort of normal life.....I cant remember the guy but i know it has been done is not a good argument....It is a exception to the rule.
    Again, Andy Brown and Brandon Moore...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Again, Andy Brown and Brandon Moore...
    I know...It's a regular thing right?....Happens all the time right?.....Just remind me to stand behind you sharp shooters
    so i don't get winged by a flier,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornhusker95 View Post
    I know...It's a regular thing right?....Happens all the time right?.....Just remind me to stand behind you sharp shooters
    so i don't get winged by a flier,
    I don't want you standing behind me under any circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I don't want you standing behind me under any circumstances.
    Your a smart man

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    Longest shot I've made was with a 1911 on a steel pig at 200 yrds. On a bet no less, I told him "within 5 shots". Hit it on the 3rd shot. First one low, second less so, 3rd made the hit. If it had been a person of average height, he'd have been nailed with all 3 shots.

    For me personally, it has more to do with the gun than distance. 1911 gov model has roughly a 7" rear to front sight length, a 357 4" barrel has roughly 6.5" between rear and front sight, either gun "will do".

    I've posted before about knocking gallon milk jugs around at 100 with a 1911 as a form of determining degradation in the basics. IF you have command of the basics, many pistols are capable of hurling lead to 100 yrds with enough accuracy to stay within 16" wide x 21" vertical [ a mans chest ]. Those who don't have command of the basics need not apply. From observing various public ranges over a 40+ year stretch, few exhibit a command of the basics.

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    Ah, these threads can take on a life of their own. It's all good, just remember to play nice

    Just for giggles I busted out an XD 10 mm OSP while out shooting the muzzle loader this morning. I grabbed a 15 round mag loaded with 180 gr JHP ftom Magtech as I headed out the door. I put 3 on target at 50 yards to verify I was on paper, then put the other dozen onto a silhouette at 100 yards.

    I shot while seated at a bench, resting my forearms on sandbags, but not with the gun tucked into a bag rest, rather like shooting while leaning on a car hood. Shot cadence was about 1 round a second, firing as the dot came back into COM.

    Definitely not a "group," more of a pattern, but it would be effective. I also need to further adjust the dot down and right a bit; first time I've shot it beyond 25 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graydude View Post
    Ah, these threads can take on a life of their own. It's all good, just remember to play nice

    Just for giggles I busted out an XD 10 mm OSP while out shooting the muzzle loader this morning. I grabbed a 15 round mag loaded with 180 gr JHP ftom Magtech as I headed out the door. I put 3 on target at 50 yards to verify I was on paper, then put the other dozen onto a silhouette at 100 yards.

    I shot while seated at a bench, resting my forearms on sandbags, but not with the gun tucked into a bag rest, rather like shooting while leaning on a car hood. Shot cadence was about 1 round a second, firing as the dot came back into COM.

    Definitely not a "group," more of a pattern, but it would be effective. I also need to further adjust the dot down and right a bit; first time I've shot it beyond 25 yards.
    The target, if human, would be in serious trouble if ventilated like that. And if those hits are considered acceptable at 100, they are just as acceptable at 5 yrds.

    Other than the two in the 7 ring, all your shots are inside the 11.8 x 17.7" 8 ring. A gallon milk jug fits inside the 8 ring easily. Nice shooting and demonstration of your command of the basics sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    Longest shot I've made was with a 1911 on a steel pig at 200 yrds. On a bet no less, I told him "within 5 shots". Hit it on the 3rd shot. First one low, second less so, 3rd made the hit. If it had been a person of average height, he'd have been nailed with all 3 shots.

    For me personally, it has more to do with the gun than distance. 1911 gov model has roughly a 7" rear to front sight length, a 357 4" barrel has roughly 6.5" between rear and front sight, either gun "will do".

    I've posted before about knocking gallon milk jugs around at 100 with a 1911 as a form of determining degradation in the basics. IF you have command of the basics, many pistols are capable of hurling lead to 100 yrds with enough accuracy to stay within 16" wide x 21" vertical [ a mans chest ]. Those who don't have command of the basics need not apply. From observing various public ranges over a 40+ year stretch, few exhibit a command of the basics.
    The longest shot I have ever made with a handgun was 200 meters (656 feet) at a hanging steel ram on a metallic target range. I did this from a rest using handloads in my, then, Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum with OEM sights. I hit it on the second shot and figured that was good enough for me. No need to poison that one with more attempts.
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