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    While doing my tour in the Marines I had very little training using a knife in self defense training. Do those that carry a knife for defense have special training using the knife for self defense? My thought if you don’t have training is it worth carrying a defense knife?
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    I always carry a sharp, lock-blade folder and I would use it if I absolutely had to for SD, but I don't think of it as an SD weapon for the following reasons:
    • Good training for knife fighting is hard to find.
    • Some jurisdictions frown on using a knife for SD in a worse light than using a gun.
    • If you fight knife against knife, unless you are really good, and I'm not, you are going to get cut yourself, even if you are successful. What I am trained in is knife self defense involving controlling the knife hand/arm. I would go to that before I would go knife v. knife.
    • I don't want to fight someone at knife distance. If I wind up in knife distance, my #1 goal is to get out of knife distance and not to stay at that range. I would create space to get to my gun, to run, or if I could not do either of those, to at least get to kicking distance. My kicks are good enough that I can dependably use them to do damage and minimize my own risks.
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    The above is good

    I always think of Fairbarin a man who prob forgot more about knife fighting then most ..But also how many wounds/injures he had from it ..Knife fighting is brutally to say the least close nasty gutter fighting ..I have done fencing ..That is a art and pretty , true sword/knife combat is not it is get in the gutter and kill em to miss quote Fairbarin

    I think Jmf points sum it up best ..And add another most states knife laws are far odder and weirder and more framgeted then say gun laws.. Will a state may say ok gun here and here carry is fine might also say well this knife here is legal but not here or legal here only is open carried .
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    For me, "fighting steel" translates to Government Model. I carry knives, I've been SLIGHTLY trained in fighting with one...but it'd probably rate right up there with my fingernail clippers as a choice.

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    I guess it’s like carrying a gun for defensive most have not had training or very little training. I have carried a knife since I was 6 years old and feel naked without it. As far as hand to hand combat with it I would quickly be quickly out done at 62.
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    The main thing to know about using a knife to attack someone? What is good to cut! From behind, the Kidneys, lots of strikes. From the front, or side. Eyes, major arteries, Jujulars, and your lock blade must be top quality, staying locked! Still stay closed, and holdable, when covered in blood.

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    I carry a knife, but for every day use. It could be pressed into a self defense role, but that is not its primary function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabill View Post
    While doing my tour in the Marines I had very little training using a knife in self defense training. Do those that carry a knife for defense have special training using the knife for self defense? My thought if you don’t have training is it worth carrying a defense knife?
    During my ten years in the Corps we had practically no training on using a knife offensively. We did train on how to defend against a knife. I am happy to say that I never had to do either. But the instruction we got was simple to grasp. I went through basic and ITR at a time when the Corps was dropping the WWII bayonet fighting style. The emphasis was not on stabbing. It was on slashing, particularly at the face. Then once the adversary was dealing with the affect of a blow ding face you made the stab. We were basically told to use a knife the same way. If you think about it the sense of it is understood. First you move to disable or disrupt and then you kill.

    I carry a knife every day. I do not view it a a self defense weapon particularly, but I know it can be used so if need be. My knife is a KaBar with a 3” serrated Tanto blade. I used it half an hour ago to peel a navel orange. The beauty of the Tanto blade is that is was designed by Japanese master blade smiths. It is fashioned in such a way that it can be used to slash but its two edged tip makes it a very potent blade for stabbing. I hope I never get to,use it for more than peeling an orange or cutting an apple.

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    My knife training is slim at best, and carrying one is more like carrying a utility tool rather than a defensive weapon. Still, I would rather have one than not - there are some for whom the sight might be deterrent enough. If I am in a knife fight I have a big problem - but at least I have a knife.
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    Knife fighting is nasty. Usually everyone gets cut.

    If you insist, carry one like Brownie’s. Go big or stay home.
    I always carry a knife, and a pen. But though they can be used for sd, that is not their primary purpose.
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    My knives are more improvised tools than weapons. I am much more likely to use my EDC knife for stripping Romex wire, cutting open Amazon boxes, picking debris out of the pool skimmers, and prying the stapled sku labels off lumber than I am using it as a weapon. I would be far more likely to use a tactical type light as an improvised kubaton/ impact weapon than I would a knife. (I do have training in this.)
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    I carry a knife designed for people who have never had knife-fighting training:

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    OR I could carry a KA-Bar:

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    OR I could be completely unfair by bringing a sword to a knife fight:

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    Of course, those last two are very difficult to carry concealed.

    I have found, as others have said that a Bubba Stik makes a very, very effective weapon - and it might help you out to get around in a pinch:

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    I do the like of Push knifes for pure SD ..Less training and though need just punch ..And harder to take from you . But not legal in most places lol
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    9 years of defensive knife training with one of the emeritus' in the country, 20 years training others in unarmed against a knife and knife on knife, including 3 years as the adjunct defensive edged weapons instructor for S+W's training division [ 3 day leo courses and 1 day non leo courses ].

    6 years of hard training with Keating 4 days a year and two 6 day events up on the Snake River with 28-30 other like minded people gave me command of those first 4 days skills the first year and thats was with hundreds of hours of practice in between events/course. 6 years to be able to subconsciously be proficient to teach the very basics from a knife fighter, not from a dojo instructor. True blade skills are a high art. A proficient bladesman knows the knife is used to deceive the opponent, to force them to make a mistake then move on that mistake knowing they are going to make it.

    Most of the training was small folders skills, but there were two courses set around the bowie/long knife training. Fully 90% different skills than those garnered in the courses designed around the small folders people most likely have on them daily. 48 hours of long knife training from another emeritus named Bill Bagwell [where after just a few hours your arms/shoulders were filled with lactic acid and burned for the rest of the day ]. Up until a few years ago, he had contracts with high level mil operators [ US special forces groups ] and was imparting long knife skills to them. Many carried his bowies into battles after the training. Kinda took a toll on your joints too after awhile.

    Unarmed against the knife training gave me far superior h2h skills than I'd ever had before. I'd guess about 40% of my present hand skills are derived from unarmed against a knife blade training. Yup, like the blades, I'd actually prefer to use my bowie or pocket clipped folder when it's "in your face" and there's no gun involved. Some of the best work is in close fighting, but one should have prepared copiously.

    I know a dozen or so that carry the big blades most of the time instead of a folder [ where sd is concerned ] like myself. There are advantages to reach, power in a big blade. On the other side of that coin, Mike Janich who I've trained with for about 56 hours on folders has demonstrated just how effective a small folder can open someone up to the bone without much effort. So the big knife won't cut any deeper most of the time, but it has the reach advantage. An advantage I want if some turd pulls a small folding knife on me. If they produce a butcher knife, it's going to come down to who has the better training and some luck.

    Best guess, somewhere over 500 hours of training on the blades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabill View Post
    While doing my tour in the Marines I had very little training using a knife in self defense training. Do those that carry a knife for defense have special training using the knife for self defense? My thought if you don’t have training is it worth carrying a defense knife?
    Yes, better than an empty pocket.
    Guess that might be determined by the definition of defense knife.
    I always have one that opens quick and is used like 5LIMA's multiple times a day, but could be used to make someone get off me.
    Too many restrictions/variations in laws where we live to carry a fixed blade, unless I am fishing?

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