Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sights

Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sights

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    Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sights

    Hello,

    I was wondering if the Mosin 91/30's come sighted in with the bayonete off or on. I know the m44 was meant to be shot with the bayonete extended, but I'm not sure about the 91/30.

    Also, the bayonete on mine is really hard to get on, I think if I were to sand off a hair on the groove of the bayonete that fits the front sight, but I was just asking if I should go ahead with it because I didn't want to ruin the gun or anything.

    That brings me to another point. When I put the bayo on, it's so hard to get on/off, I have to wrestle with it alot, can I miss up the front sight by having my palm resting on it while I try to unscrew the bayo or is the front sight adjusted from the inside?

    I hope that makes sense. I'm going to try to go to the range tomorrow and try it for my self, but I just wanted to hear from you guys first.

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    Let us know how that range report goes. I don't have one but am interested in getting one.

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    Pretty sure they were origionally sighted with the bayonet attached.

    Also in my experiance the sights only become truely accurate at 100 meters and longer.
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    Standard Soviet infantry practice during WWII was to have bayonets fixed when going into combat.

    My 91/30 shoots the same supported with and without the bayonet
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    The balance of the MN changes with the bayonette extended. From results I have seen, from a rest or vise, POI is the same. Off hand will be different due to the weight balance change.
    You can sand, file, somehow ease the opening on the bayonette where it goes around the sight but you are mostly dealing with the sight base. As long as your not putting pressure on the post, it should not change your windage adjustment.
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    It generally is not an issue with the 91/30, so there is no real reason to shoot it with the bayonet attached unless you feel like it. My 3 91/30's shoot the same either way. I have 4 M44's a 2 are affected by not extending the attached bayo and the other 2 are not.....go figure IVAN. You will likely find that the MN91/30 will be shooting high as much as 5-8" at 100 yards. If you go to the surplusrifle.com site there are some good "fixes" for this (raising front sight post).

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    I went out with my mn91/30 and it shot really well (at least by my standards lol) without the bayonet. I was shooting at a 200m gong and was hitting it every so often. I'm. Very happy to say the least. I didn't try it with the bayonet on cuz I can't turn it once its fitted around the barrel. The cut groove where the front sight is suppose to fit is way to tight, I think I need to get a metal file and file a hair off the inside if the bayonet where thr front sight is suppose to go, unless anyone else has any better suggestions?

    As a side question, does hoppees 9 clean the corrosive chemicals from the mosins surplus mil ammo? I heard your suppose to clean it with windex first then clean your rifle the regular way, and that's what I've been doing but thatb such a pain.

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    I went out with my mn91/30 and it shot really well (at least by my standards lol) without the bayonet. I was shooting at a 200m gong and was hitting it every so often. I'm. Very happy to say the least. I didn't try it with the bayonet on cuz I can't turn it once its fitted around the barrel. The cut groove where the front sight is suppose to fit is way to tight, I think I need to get a metal file and file a hair off the inside if the bayonet where thr front sight is suppose to go, unless anyone else has any better suggestions?

    As a side question, does hoppees 9 clean the corrosive chemicals from the mosins surplus mil ammo? I heard your suppose to clean it with windex first then clean your rifle the regular way, and that's what I've been doing but thatb such a pain.

    Thanks

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    I boil water on the stove in the wife's tea kettle. Then I pour it down the barrel and gas tube , and over the other parts on my two AK'74's. There's really no need for the windex or anything else. The hot water also evaperates really fast. After I clean as I normally would.

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    +1 on the Rigrat Commentary. The same salts that attract moisture and corrode like hot water more than they do metal.

    Back in the day it was nothing for me and my buddy to expend several hundred rounds on weekends. Good job, no bills, just toys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moress View Post
    As a side question, does hoppees 9 clean the corrosive chemicals from the mosins surplus mil ammo? I heard your suppose to clean it with windex first then clean your rifle the regular way, and that's what I've been doing but thatb such a pain.

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    Why is it a pain? All you need to do is run maybe 3-4 patches max with windex (ammonia) down the barrel and also clean/wipe the bolt and then clean as normal, its just one more minor step that adds less than 5 min. to the process. I have been a milsrp shooter collector for 20 years and this is what I do and have never had any issues with corrosive ammo. Its well worth the extra few min. to use this cheap pleantiful milsurp ammo. The hot water methods works well also buts a but more involved. All you need is a small plastic funnel and maybe some plastic tubing and just pore hot water down the barrel to flushout the salts.
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    I took my MN out to the range again today, I just had that "urge" to squeeze off a few rounds. I set up a target at 25m and another at 50m. I was shooting on one knee with my elbow resting on the other. The 25m target was all over the place, mostly with the shots going up and right, with this target I tried aiming with both eyes open and using the "ring" of the front sight as my point of reference for sighting in these quick shots. The 50m target I kinda used the sights, these shots landed low but center, but they was a pretty good group by my standards.

    I couldn't figure out why my shots where so bad on the closer target, but luckily another shooter was near giving me tips. Since I was trying for quick fast shots, I would wrap my trigger finger around the whole trigger practically, and that would cause this jerky motion to the right. Next time I go shoot again, I'll try shooting with only the pad of my tirgger finger like he suggested.

    The more I shoot this gun, the more I love it. My whole family makes fun of it for being this old ass russian rifle, but damn, what a fun gun! I seriously think this is gonna be my new zombie gun lol.

    P.S. Tonight when I got home, I acidentatlly droped the gun on the front sight. It was leaned up against my hand and slipped and tipped over right ontop of the front sight, do you think that could have knocked it out of alignment? The front sight seems really well stuck in there when I try to move it around by hand, I can't see if theres any motion so maybe I'm just worring over nothing? I guess what I'm asking is the front sight easily shifted by droping or is this just a tough rifle after all? lol Thanks.

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