2PT Sling Shoulder Transitions

2PT Sling Shoulder Transitions

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    2PT Sling Shoulder Transitions

    Anybody have a good method of performing shoulder transitions while slung up with a 2PT?

    I've taken 4 carbine classes to date and learned more than any of them on the difficulty of this when I ran my PCC in our local IDPA match a few months ago. It seems the stage designers can either by design or accident set up stages that force a shoulder transition to engage some of the TGTs without violating cover and fault lines. Needless to say I've been working on this.

    The 1st week in MAR a couple of us from the office are taking a 3 day carbine class. In prep, we plan on shooting PCCs in our locak IDPA match, complete with battle belts, sans concealment, scores be damned. So back to transitions.

    What I've come to is:

    BFG Vickers sling, extended far enough out to allow transition when lossened up with the quick adjust.
    Butt-stock QD mount on the "off side"
    Carbine stock, collapsed 1 position (not fully extended)

    The above lets me transition shoulders rapidly without touching the sling.

    Has anybody got a different method, other than going to a single point sling????

    Thanks,

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    I've usually found that I had to loosen the sling to transition to my "weak" side (left shoulder). I loosen the sling with my left hand, while holding onto the grip with my right. Drop my left arm out of the sling so that the sling is only around my neck. Switch the grip to my left hand and grab the fore end with my right hand after putting my right arm through the sling. Not graceful by any stretch of the imagination but it works and is reasonably quick.

    (had to edit this for clarity. Hope it makes sense...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck R. View Post
    Anybody have a good method of performing shoulder transitions while slung up with a 2PT?

    I've taken 4 carbine classes to date and learned more than any of them on the difficulty of this when I ran my PCC in our local IDPA match a few months ago. It seems the stage designers can either by design or accident set up stages that force a shoulder transition to engage some of the TGTs without violating cover and fault lines. Needless to say I've been working on this.

    The 1st week in MAR a couple of us from the office are taking a 3 day carbine class. In prep, we plan on shooting PCCs in our locak IDPA match, complete with battle belts, sans concealment, scores be damned. So back to transitions.

    What I've come to is:

    BFG Vickers sling, extended far enough out to allow transition when lossened up with the quick adjust.
    Butt-stock QD mount on the "off side"
    Carbine stock, collapsed 1 position (not fully extended)

    The above lets me transition shoulders rapidly without touching the sling.

    Has anybody got a different method, other than going to a single point sling????

    Thanks,

    Chuck
    That is exactly how I do it, but my stock in only three clicks out, my nose on the charging handle.

    Edited to add, I have the sling around my neck only when clearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I've usually found that I had to loosen the sling to transition to my "weak" side (left shoulder). I loosen the sling with my left hand, while holding onto the grip with my right. Drop my left arm out of the sling so that the sling is only around my neck. Switch the grip to my left hand and grab the fore end with my right hand after putting my right arm through the sling. Not graceful by any stretch of the imagination but it works and is reasonably quick.

    (had to edit this for clarity. Hope it makes sense...)
    "Neck Loop" learned it a while back in a Vickers class.

    I've done it, but I was looking for a way to maintain the sling position. It still might be the simplest technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck R. View Post
    "Neck Loop" learned it a while back in a Vickers class.
    I've done it, but I was looking for a way to maintain the sling position. It still might be the simplest technique.
    It's entirely possible there's a better way, but if so, I don't know what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck R. View Post
    "Neck Loop" learned it a while back in a Vickers class.

    I've done it, but I was looking for a way to maintain the sling position. It still might be the simplest technique.
    The only time I run the sling over my shoulder is if I am going to sling the gun on my back, everything else is just the "Neck Loop".
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    I use a sling for carrying a rifle or for creating a "hasty sling" to offer more stability for a long range offhand shot. I think too many tacticool courses try to incorporate sling work as a way to add filler content and fleece people out of more money.

    That being said, transitions from right to left are simple and straightforward without the use of a sling. I was taught to do that in the Army decades ago for shooting around cover without exposing to much of my poor body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck R. View Post
    It seems the stage designers can either by design or accident set up stages that force a shoulder transition to engage some of the TGTs without violating cover and fault lines.
    It was by accident at first.

    Now, it'll be by design...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raytracer View Post
    It was by accident at first.

    Now, it'll be by design...
    Kinda what I figured........

    Just another reason to practice more.
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    Hang it around your neck like others have said. Rather than having your sling attach to the buttstock, attach it to the rear of the receiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    I use a sling for carrying a rifle or for creating a "hasty sling" to offer more stability for a long range offhand shot. I think too many tacticool courses try to incorporate sling work as a way to add filler content and fleece people out of more money.
    I guess I am confused. I was taught the use of a sling as a method of carrying the rifle. If you carry it for use on your strong side, wouldn't you need or want to be able to transition it to your weak side in the event your strong side was injured? Transitioning never impressed me as a useless exercise, any more than learning to shoot a pistol or rack the slide, weak hand only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I guess I am confused. I was taught the use of a sling as a method of carrying the rifle. If you carry it for use on your strong side, wouldn't you need or want to be able to transition it to your weak side in the event your strong side was injured? Transitioning never impressed me as a useless exercise, any more than learning to shoot a pistol or rack the slide, weak hand only.
    Or even just shooting around a barricade without exposing your whole body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I guess I am confused. I was taught the use of a sling as a method of carrying the rifle. If you carry it for use on your strong side, wouldn't you need or want to be able to transition it to your weak side in the event your strong side was injured? Transitioning never impressed me as a useless exercise, any more than learning to shoot a pistol or rack the slide, weak hand only.
    You must have totally misunderstood what I typed.

    I have a few years worth of humping a rifle in the Army not to mention a lifetime of hunting. I have carried on both shoulders with a sling and shoot from either should depending on the circumstances. How much training do you really need to sling, unsling and change shoulders?
    If you want to transition a rile to your weak side due to injury you better have somewhere to rest it so you can shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I guess I am confused. I was taught the use of a sling as a method of carrying the rifle. If you carry it for use on your strong side, wouldn't you need or want to be able to transition it to your weak side in the event your strong side was injured? Transitioning never impressed me as a useless exercise, any more than learning to shoot a pistol or rack the slide, weak hand only.
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    Maybe I am just old school, but I use a sling to carry a rifle or as a hasty sling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    You must have totally misunderstood what I typed.

    I have a few years worth of humping a rifle in the Army not to mention a lifetime of hunting. I have carried on both shoulders with a sling and shoot from either should depending on the circumstances. How much training do you really need to sling, unsling and change shoulders?
    If you want to transition a rile to your weak side due to injury you better have somewhere to rest it so you can shoot.
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    Maybe I am just old school, but I use a sling to carry a rifle or as a hasty sling.
    You’ve never seen anyone with an AR/M4 slung before? It should be able to basically hang in front of you without touching it, and you should be able to grab it and fire it without having to remove the sling. Carrying a rifle slung like in the picture is ok for hunting, but from an offensive/defensive use its not very effective
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