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The perfect travel long gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    No substantiation whatsoever save my 10 years with the police department. How many automobile burglary calls have you worked?

    You should move to Atlanta and give it a whirl.
    I think it has more to do with where you live. Where I live if you broke into 10 cars I would expect to find 5 to 7 guns! 40 miles away in Fresno you would be a fool to leave anything in your car. DR
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    I know This is not what the Op was looking at, But I own several Handi Rifles. I like them because I can break them down to fit in a day pack.
    One of my favorite places to hunt coyotes, I have to park in a residential subdivision, start out hiking on a shared trail, and then about 3/4 of a mile out I cut off the trail and follow a fence line that separates cattle ranches from suburbs.
    Without a compact rifle I would probably loose my access point! DR
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    For legal reasons, a rifle caliber pistol is popular in MI.
    1) Our concealed license is a "concealed pistol license".
    2) Any firearm within reach of an occupant of a vehicle is considered concealed. (see transportation: in the trunk, in a case, unloaded, etc.)
    Therefore, the only way to have a firearm loaded in a vehicle is for it to be a pistol, and to have your CPL.

    I'm a big CZ fan. I think guns like the Scorpion are loads of fun, but not practical or the best option for my state. I'm not a fan of pistol caliber carbines either, unless it fits a legal niche. The scorpion doesn't add much besides capacity over most duty size pistols. If I'm adding that much size and intend to add the brace (which makes it that much bigger), I want the added energy of a rifle cartridge.

    There are lots of reasons to like the AR pistols. For the range of intended use, the velocity is going to be fine. Alternate calibers like 300 Blackout make even more sense. I just can't get past the buffer tube on a pistol.

    Recoil rod rifle caliber pistols make more sense to me because of the folding brace option (like the Scorpion ). The 7.62x39 variants are easy to find. That cartridge hits just fine at pistol length barrels and (relatively) short ranges. It isn't as sexy as the 300, and probably doesn't have as many loading options, but it costs less too.
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    My concept of "perfect"; homebuilt .300 AAC, 9" barrel with a Maxim brace:



    23" collapsed, fits in an elongated tennis racket case. Launches a 110 grn at 2175FPS. Not as loud as a short barreled .223, but still pretty easy to ring steel with it at 150-200. Doesn't reside in the truck, but goes on trips.
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    Perfect?

    Do you travel with a long gun of some sort?
    Which gun would be "perfect" would depend on a lot of things. Where you're going, who you're with, what sort of vehicle you're in, etc.

    The long gun I'm most likely to travel with is the SUB2000:

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    Folded, it's only about 16" long, so it's easily stowed in a storage compartment in any of my vehicles. It shares 17-round mags with the M&P 9, and aftermarket 32-rounders are available (though I haven't tried one yet). I've just mounted an Osprey micro laser sight (which you can see in the pic if you look closely), which I think is a plus for this little carbine.

    So, for MY purposes I think the SUB2000 is the "perfect" long gun for travel in terms of portability, concealability, and firepower. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck808 View Post
    I’m not wearing some punisher skull shirt with 5.11 pants, holding a rifle case, having just got out of a car covered in gun stickers. Just wearing a pair of jeans, a striped T-shirt, and carrying the type of backpack you see most school kids wearing. Totally under the radar, just the way I like it.
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    That, the Scorpion, or the P90, all good options. Really nice thing about the P90 and a few similar options is the short muzzle past the trigger. Less reach is nice for maneuverability in small spaces, like hallways.
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    I normally carry an Ak-47 with an under fold stock. It fits well between the center console and passenger seat. A 20 round mag saves some space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    They get stolen out of cars here all the time. Local news is substantiation enough. Private cars, cop cars, you name it. It is not a good practice to leave guns in cars carelessly unsecured. Often the vehicle doors aren't even locked.
    Very true.
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    Depends on where I'm going. Most times I don't grab anything beyond the Glock and/or the GP100. And I know this will sound crazy...but if I do take a long gun, I have more often than not tossed my 10/22 Sporter into the car. There is just something about the ability to toss a brick of cheap ammo in and only be out $30 or so if I do get a day at the range or something. I especially like it now since I put my Vortex 2-7x32 scope on it.

    I zero'ed it out at a buddy's acreage a couple of months ago. I set it to 75 yards for the zero. It hits about 3/4 high at 50 yards with Mini-Mags and Velocitors, then since I have a BDC reticle I can kind of guesstimate what my holdover and Kentucky windage is. Here are a couple of targets just playing around. Sling support of course, leaning against a deck railing, 8-10mph cross wind:

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    Right now these are two of the three of my go-to rounds:

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    These new Quiet-22 Semi-Auto are spooky quiet, considering they actually cycle my 10/22. I'm getting them $3.99 a box. The Velocitors are everywhere again for $5.99 a box. Of course I'll also shoot Mini-Mags or bricks of stuff like Win Super-X for cheaper stuff.
    The Quiet-22 aren't as quiet as my old Super-Colibri's, but it's just a hair louder than Benjamin pellet rifles. Another friend and I were doing some firearm safety training with some kids at a church softball event a few weeks ago. After the kids were done we pulled out the 10/22 just for yucks with a couple older kids in their teens. We were about 100 yards and 150 yards on the other side of a house from the softball fields (out in the country on an acreage). The spooky part was nobody heard us running a few 10-rd mags of these Quiet-22 Semi-Auto through the rifle.

    It's amazing what a $300 scope can turn a $300 rifle into. I think my next goal is to turn this into a takedown via the Archangel QBD stock, or I might be swapping it for a takedown model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    Depends on where I'm going. Most times I don't grab anything beyond the Glock and/or the GP100. And I know this will sound crazy...but if I do take a long gun, I have more often than not tossed my 10/22 Sporter into the car. There is just something about the ability to toss a brick of cheap ammo in and only be out $30 or so if I do get a day at the range or something. I especially like it now since I put my Vortex 2-7x32 scope on it.

    I zero'ed it out at a buddy's acreage a couple of months ago. I set it to 75 yards for the zero. It hits about 3/4 high at 50 yards with Mini-Mags and Velocitors, then since I have a BDC reticle I can kind of guesstimate what my holdover and Kentucky windage is. Here are a couple of targets just playing around. Sling support of course, leaning against a deck railing, 8-10mph cross wind:

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    Right now these are two of the three of my go-to rounds:

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    These new Quiet-22 Semi-Auto are spooky quiet, considering they actually cycle my 10/22. I'm getting them $3.99 a box. The Velocitors are everywhere again for $5.99 a box. Of course I'll also shoot Mini-Mags or bricks of stuff like Win Super-X for cheaper stuff.
    The Quiet-22 aren't as quiet as my old Super-Colibri's, but it's just a hair louder than Benjamin pellet rifles. Another friend and I were doing some firearm safety training with some kids at a church softball event a few weeks ago. After the kids were done we pulled out the 10/22 just for yucks with a couple older kids in their teens. We were about 100 yards and 150 yards on the other side of a house from the softball fields (out in the country on an acreage). The spooky part was nobody heard us running a few 10-rd mags of these Quiet-22 Semi-Auto through the rifle.

    It's amazing what a $300 scope can turn a $300 rifle into. I think my next goal is to turn this into a takedown via the Archangel QBD stock, or I might be swapping it for a takedown model.
    I have a falling block rifle with a 28" barrel. When I shoot the Quiets from it all I hear is the hammer fall, and the bullet striking the target! it's much quieter than my pellet guns! My wife was on the front porch talking on the phone to her sister, while I was shooting ground squirrels off the lawn. When she hung up she asked what are you doing? That's when they became my go to ammo for around the house! DR
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    Around here there’s no breaking into vehicles. And yeah, the trucks are all carrying. We don’t need to lock ours except when we go “far afield”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootnlead View Post
    Not really...everyone that i know, including me, has been leaving guns in vehicles for years and very few have been stolen. Personally, I have my guns affixed in a manner that no one is going to walk off with them. but most of the people that I know don't have the same but have still lost very few guns. This refrain is regurgitated repeatedly, without any substantiation. Untold numbers of guns are hauled around daily and a very, very small percentage are stolen.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    They get stolen out of cars here all the time. Local news is substantiation enough. Private cars, cop cars, you name it. It is not a good practice to leave guns in cars carelessly unsecured. Often the vehicle doors aren't even locked.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    No substantiation whatsoever save my 10 years with the police department. How many automobile burglary calls have you worked?

    You should move to Atlanta and give it a whirl.
    Not being argumentative here, but I’ve wondered about this a lot. In reality, if you hide and lock a firearm in the trunk of a sedan and don’t have anything visible in the passenger area, how likely are you to first; be broken into; and second how likely will a handgun hidden in the trunk be stolen? I think not likely. I’ve not been broken into in over 50 years of driving.

    Obviously, where you are parked, and what you do while exiting the vehicle (while possibly being observed by a potential thief) may have a bearing on the likelihood of a break in.

    With respect, what am I missing?
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