Roller Delayed Blowback:Why 9mm more expensive than 308?

Roller Delayed Blowback:Why 9mm more expensive than 308?

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    Roller Delayed Blowback:Why 9mm more expensive than 308?

    One thing that Ive always wondered and could never come up with a good reason is why the HK MP5 style weapons are always more expensive than the HK 91 type rifles (in 308)? I can see why the Century C308 is cheaper, since they are not fully new rifles, but when you compare apples to apples, like PTR, comparing a PTR 91 to a PTR 9R, why is the MP5 style gun in 9mm 50-60% more expensive at a minimum?

    They are both factory new firearms, both use the same operating mechanism, same type of construction methods, etc. If anything, Id expect the 308 guns to be the most expensive, and the 9mm guns to be the least expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck808 View Post
    One thing that Ive always wondered and could never come up with a good reason is why the HK MP5 style weapons are always more expensive than the HK 91 type rifles (in 308)? I can see why the Century C308 is cheaper, since they are not fully new rifles, but when you compare apples to apples, like PTR, comparing a PTR 91 to a PTR 9R, why is the MP5 style gun in 9mm 50-60% more expensive at a minimum?

    They are both factory new firearms, both use the same operating mechanism, same type of construction methods, etc. If anything, Id expect the 308 guns to be the most expensive, and the 9mm guns to be the least expensive.
    Because a PTR is not an H&K 91.
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    Speaking of which:

    HK gives us what weíve wanted for 30 years...

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...kler-koch-mp5/

    As to why they are more expensive? My guess would be that until very recently, the only 9mm roller locks available were PO(Junk) clones (see: Special Weapons or anything else Toad Bailey had his festering mitts in), or the unicorn level HK SP89...which one pays VERY dearly for (I know, I have one).

    And...look at the price of an actual HK91 sometime...the clones are cheap in comparison...
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    Globe use of the G3 and the like sold in the millions lot of people making and still using them massive depots of mags , parts guns etc ..Millions made waiting for the big Russian war that never came ... So trickle down to a lot of parts kit for builders and the like and lot of parts around to be built ..But then ask who is buying the MP5 ? Mostly police , special forces etc and that was only onto the late 80 early 90s when many cops shops stop using them for 556 caliber rifles due to criminal using more body armor and rifles in that time .
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    I know the genuine HK guns are always more expensive, but when comparing apples to apples, something like PTR, the 9mm guns are more expensive. You cannot buy a brand new HK 91 here in America, so you cannot use that to compare prices. Used prices dont count, that has to do with market trends, used pricing, etc.

    When you compare like to like, from the same manufacturer, I just dont get why the 9mm is more expensive.

    And sure, a PTR91 and a HK91 are not exactly the same, but the overwhelming majority of parts are swappable. The PTR91 is a clone of the HK91. For all intents and purposes, they are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck808 View Post
    I know the genuine HK guns are always more expensive, but when comparing apples to apples, something like PTR, the 9mm guns are more expensive. You cannot buy a brand new HK 91 here in America, so you cannot use that to compare prices. Used prices dont count, that has to do with market trends, used pricing, etc.

    When you compare like to like, from the same manufacturer, I just dont get why the 9mm is more expensive.

    And sure, a PTR91 and a HK91 are not exactly the same, but the overwhelming majority of parts are swappable. The PTR91 is a clone of the HK91. For all intents and purposes, they are the same.
    The .308's were, originally all parts kits; the G3 was widely used, and when militaries ditched their .308 battle rifles for 5.56...chopped up G3's were plentiful.

    Chopped up MP5ís? Not so much.

    Then, the clone companies (like PTR) tooled up to completely build their own parts when the surplus chop kits started drying up...and didnít raise their prices much at the time.

    The other reason? Because people will pay higher prices for the 9mmís.
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    If I had to guess, there is a much bigger demand for the mp5 style guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck808 View Post
    I know the genuine HK guns are always more expensive, but when comparing apples to apples, something like PTR, the 9mm guns are more expensive. You cannot buy a brand new HK 91 here in America, so you cannot use that to compare prices. Used prices dont count, that has to do with market trends, used pricing, etc.

    When you compare like to like, from the same manufacturer, I just dont get why the 9mm is more expensive.

    And sure, a PTR91 and a HK91 are not exactly the same, but the overwhelming majority of parts are swappable. The PTR91 is a clone of the HK91. For all intents and purposes, they are the same.
    When you could buy a new H&K they were still twice the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    When you could buy a new H&K they were still twice the price.
    The 9mms were twice the price when new from HK? Thatís what I donít get. I could understand them being the same price because itís essentially the same exact gun just with a different caliber, but the 9mm guns are always anywhere from 50% more to 100% more and I just donít get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck808 View Post
    The 9mms were twice the price when new from HK? Thatís what I donít get. I could understand them being the same price because itís essentially the same exact gun just with a different caliber, but the 9mm guns are always anywhere from 50% more to 100% more and I just donít get it.
    That is H&K. Import fee's etc.
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    That, and HK didnít import nearly as many HK94ís and SP89ís as they did HK91ís.

    Scarcity drives up price.
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