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    Yes, it should be allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
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    When I went back to college a few years back we all had to attend a mandatory safety briefing by the chief of security, he commented how much safer the campus was after they installed the “Blue Boxes”. He said all you had to do was push the button and security would be dispatched, he was not pleased with my comment “That’s cute, now you know just where to go to recover the body”.
    Yeah, Marshall U. has those panic boxes on campus too, they seem pretty lame. I think that St Pete College has them at its Midtown campus, a potentially dangerous neighborhood. And once again, pretty lame.

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    I have mixed feelings on Campus Carry. Drunken Frat boys are not the smartest box of rocks to walk the earth. Self defense is not their priority, partying is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I have mixed feelings on Campus Carry. Drunken Frat boys are not the smartest box of rocks to walk the earth. Self defense is not their priority, partying is.
    ..................and this is what their dumb as a box of rocks parents send them to college for.
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    If my granddaughter could campus carry at 18 I'd buy her first firearm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GraySkies View Post
    So my constitutional rights end at your door? Not true. What you are talking about is apples and oranges. The campus carry issue has to do with LEGALITY. In other words, can I be prosecuted/criminalized for carrying on campus. You have control over your private property in that if you don't like me being there you can ask me to leave. If I don't leave, you can pursue a criminal trespass complaint against me.

    A conviction for trespassing is a VERY different thing than a conviction for criminal possession of a firearm. THAT is what we are talking about. My constitutional right to keep and bear arms cannot be abridged by your property rights, but both can be maintained without abridging your property rights either.

    I have no problem with property owners being able to ask you to leave their property for any reason they like. If they don't KNOW you are armed, it shouldn't be any of their business. Once they find out, if they ask you to leave, fine. You should NOT, however, be criminalized for having been there with that firearm.

    Yes, you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater if you like. It would be stupid, and you would have to face the consequences if you did it (loss of revenue, property damage, injury, public disturbance, etc.), but you have the freedom to do so. Firearms should be the same. Your rights should NEVER be abridged in any circumstance of normal life, but if you do something stupid with it you will have to pay the consequences.

    This is a whole problem I am having with an entire generation of Americans. They seem to be obsessed with punishing people or taking away people's rights for SOMETHING THEY MIGHT DO. This is not the kind of freedom on which this country was founded. This is sacrificing freedom for perceived "safety".

    IN AMERICA WE DON'T PUNISH PEOPLE OR TAKE AWAY THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS UNTIL AFTER THEY'VE ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIMINAL ACT. NOT BEFORE.
    Absolutely! This is my mantra. Every criminal act committed by a person with a firearm has violated a law. Having a firearm is not the crime. Committing the crime is.
    For those who want to bring up yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, sure one can yell fire, if there is a fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I have mixed feelings on Campus Carry. Drunken Frat boys are not the smartest box of rocks to walk the earth. Self defense is not their priority, partying is.
    Well, as long as they keep the celebratory gun fire at a reasonable level I'm . . . OK, never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I have mixed feelings on Campus Carry. Drunken Frat boys are not the smartest box of rocks to walk the earth. Self defense is not their priority, partying is.
    The thing is, most of those frat boys arent allowed to carry to begin with. Its those of us who are older that are negatively affected. I think I said it earlier in this thread, but Ive considered starting school again in another year or two. Im have no intentions of a career change or anything, and just want to further my education because I can. But I, as the guy who will be there for no other reason than because I want to learn, would be the one prohibited from carrying. If I lived anywhere besides Texas of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    The thing is, most of those frat boys arent allowed to carry to begin with. Its those of us who are older that are negatively affected. I think I said it earlier in this thread, but Ive considered starting school again in another year or two. Im have no intentions of a career change or anything, and just want to further my education because I can. But I, as the guy who will be there for no other reason than because I want to learn, would be the one prohibited from carrying. If I lived anywhere besides Texas of course.
    I'm a similar situation. I've been going to school for the past three years. I am not, nor ever have been, a "drunken frat boy", no matter how loosely one might apply the definition. Ever since I've started carrying, I have been very careful about putting the pistols away when I drink more than one beer (a single beer is not illegal, but being "under the influence" while in possession of a firearm is).

    By the naysayers of this thread, I would be disallowed from carrying on campus on Tuesdays and Wednesdays during my classes. Despite that I have had many hours of training, practice regularly, pass backgrounds checks frequently (gun purchases and career), have my CHP, and the worst thing on my record is driving without insurance because it expired three days earlier and I forgot to renew.

    Do those drunken kids exist? Surely. But it's been my experience that the stereotype is not representative of the large majority of even 18-year-olds these days. And certainly not representative of the 21+ years olds.

    At least here in Colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrock View Post
    I'm a similar situation. I've been going to school for the past three years. I am not, nor ever have been, a "drunken frat boy", no matter how loosely one might apply the definition. Ever since I've started carrying, I have been very careful about putting the pistols away when I drink more than one beer (a single beer is not illegal, but being "under the influence" while in possession of a firearm is).

    By the naysayers of this thread, I would be disallowed from carrying on campus on Tuesdays and Wednesdays during my classes. Despite that I have had many hours of training, practice regularly, pass backgrounds checks frequently (gun purchases and career), have my CHP, and the worst thing on my record is driving without insurance because it expired three days earlier and I forgot to renew.

    Do those drunken kids exist? Surely. But it's been my experience that the stereotype is not representative of the large majority of even 18-year-olds these days. And certainly not representative of the 21+ years olds.

    At least here in Colorado.
    Yep. When I was in that age group I was on active duty and drank far more than most frat kids could afford or have the tolerance for, and we were around guns all the time at work, and most people owned their own personal guns. It's funny how nobody ever thinks that's an issue. The reason why is because it's not. Something about hearing the word college makes everyone freak out though because people aren't used to guns on campus(legally). It's the same mentality that the anti gunners have. Ban everything because something bad might happen.
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    If the communist socialist text books are allowed (yes they are, BTDT) then I would tend to lean towards a gun being much safer than what the "pushed through because of PC equality issues not intelligence" so called professors (and I do use that lightly) are cramming in their head. Teachers/professors should be vetted since the lives of children are being formed.

    Guns are much safer on campus than college text books and the overwhelming majority of mentally skewed agnostic liberal professors.

    Raise them in the woods, they are gonna end up there anyway and need to know that way of life. Why go to college, no jobs and you are paying people that believe completely opposite than you!

    My opinion FWIW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister View Post
    If the communist socialist text books are allowed (yes they are, BTDT) then I would tend to lean towards a gun being much safer than what the "pushed through because of PC equality issues not intelligence" so called professors (and I do use that lightly) are cramming in their head. Teachers/professors should be vetted since the lives of children are being formed.

    Guns are much safer on campus than college text books and the overwhelming majority of mentally skewed agnostic liberal professors.

    Raise them in the woods, they are gonna end up there anyway and need to know that way of life. Why go to college, no jobs and you are paying people that believe completely opposite than you!

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    I pretty much agree with your posting. However after spending my younger days getting educated past my level of intelligence and attending three different colleges over a period of eight years, I can disagree. Each college had problems with both the males and females getting overly intoxicated on a routine basis. Some Got kicked out for their actions. Few went to study but most were away from home for the first time and wanted to party. Some were hospitalized for acute intoxication. Now drugs are just as common on campuses across the US. I read a report this morning where a drunken student at a strict Methodist college was firing off rounds on campus last night. He will be expelled from that college.

    With the high rate of alcohol and drugs in use among the college age these days, I do not think guns in the hands of students is a good idea. Facility? Yes, but even some of them would be risky.

    Also, it is only by the Grace of God that I made it through college. I did more than my share of drinking as well as driving and woke up many mornings laying next to the porcelain throne. While drinking I got into a lot of fisticuffs and would have certainly shot someone. The good thing is we did not have the drug problems back then we have now or I would possibly have done that as well.

    Times are different now. Kids are abusing more substances and taking courses that will get them good grades but no good paying jobs. I see it all too often in my profession. I vote against guns on campus.

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    I went through a public City College and a public State University where anti-Vietnam war riots killed a kid (Dennis Moran) and burned down a Bank of America branch bank (in which I worked after it was rebuilt) and took a year off in between. In California. In the 1970s. Never once got stoned or drunk. No one in my circle of friends did. Most of us were brought up by WWII veterans. Many of us were non-liberals, although some were. Some of us were Mexican-Americans, Black-Americans, Greek-Americans, Irish-Americans, Native Americans and just mutts. Some drank and some did reefer, but no one got in trouble with the law, beat their girlfriends, or crashed their cars. Or misused firearms. All of us graduated.

    Some people, it seems, like to paint college students with one very large brush, but forget that many students were not raised by liberals or are simply not liberals themselves.

    College students should be armed. I'm not too sure about the liberal instructors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    With the high rate of alcohol and drugs in use among the college age these days, I do not think guns in the hands of students is a good idea. Facility? Yes, but even some of them would be risky.
    Again, this assumes that the simple location of a person is enough to deny them firearm possession. After all, if the student could pass the background check, afford the few hundred dollars for training and the gun itself, they why shouldn't they be allowed to carry? So some are saying that if it's off campus, that person is good to go. But cross an imaginary line onto campus property and all of a sudden they're more dangerous?

    As I noted before, this is broad-brush painting, and I can't help but feel a bit covered in that brush. After all, I'm nearly 40 years old, carried for over two years, know all the rules, have an impeccable background (traffic violations notwithstanding), and have been known to teach new shooters on many occasions. Yet, because I still attend college, I would be denied the ability to react to a school shooting.

    If the concern is "drunken college kid", then fine. But don't make it a point of location. Make it a point of the person. Isn't that what we've been fighting the Democrats for all this time? More focus on the right problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post

    With the high rate of alcohol and drugs in use among the college age these days, I do not think guns in the hands of students is a good idea.

    ... I did more than my share of drinking as well as driving and woke up many mornings laying next to the porcelain throne. While drinking I got into a lot of fisticuffs and would have certainly shot someone. The good thing is we did not have the drug problems back then we have now or I would possibly have done that as well...Kids are abusing more substances and taking courses that will get them good grades but no good paying jobs. I see it all too often in my profession. I vote against guns on campus...
    Thankfully, campus carry laws (at least the ones I've seen, apparently you've seen different ones) do not change the restrictions on carrying while intoxicated, nor do they change the age requirement for obtaining a permit. Nobody is arguing that we should let people who are drunk and/or high carry a gun. That will remain as illegal as ever. Some people seem to be arguing about whether anyone 18+ should be able to keep a gun in their dorm room. That is really a separate (yet valid) discussion, and should not be conflated with restrictions on the activities of CHP holders (the OP specifically refers to concealed handguns in classrooms). Permit holders are not "kids" they are 21 year old adults who take their safety seriously . Imagine for a moment a student is 21+, living off campus, possibly working while furthering education as some of the members here, having jumped through the legal hoops to obtain a permit, having carried almost everywhere he or she goes for months or years... Is there any good reason that such a person should be forbidden from carrying when they go to class? I can't think of one.

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