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You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF

This is a discussion on You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF within the FFL Dealer Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley Do you really want to go down the road where someone who changes their sex cannot have a gun? Where is ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    Do you really want to go down the road where someone who changes their sex cannot have a gun? Where is the belief that all law abiding citizens in the country should be allowed to own firearms? I may not like or care for what Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner has done but he/she should be allowed to own firearms barring a few reasons we've come to know is necessary.
    Might be prudent, they obviously have psychological issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    Do you really want to go down the road where someone who changes their sex cannot have a gun? Where is the belief that all law abiding citizens in the country should be allowed to own firearms? I may not like or care for what Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner has done but he/she should be allowed to own firearms barring a few reasons we've come to know is necessary.
    Someone can not change their sex. Caitlyn Jenner can change his name as many times as he wants. He is still a male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Here is a very interesting quandary. According to the ATF, you must identify yourself as either a male or a female, and not one of the 71 other genders people self-identify as these days. I can see the law suits piling up on this one soon, especially in places like California. See the complete article at the link below

    However, when it comes to the NICS background check, a male or female identification is required on ATF form 4473. Thereís no non-binary option ďXĒ, and prospective gun buyers may not leave box 6 blank. Thatís because all entries in the NICS database are coded as male or female, and that canít be changed without a system-wide overhaul. So, FFLs may not transfer firearms to individuals who refuse to identify as male or female.

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    71 other genders? All of that from only 2; male and female?

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    You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF-1479b00c-d752-4299-bed6-2fd270e2278e.pngAlso saw this gem on amazon. Buy a shirt supporting all 71 genders, but itís only available in menís and womenís sizes.
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    But if you go to Amazon you can only choose men or women, what happened to the 72 others???

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D5QTMXP...mId=B0752XJYNL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Someone can not change their sex. Caitlyn Jenner can change his name as many times as he wants. He is still a male.
    I agree. And bet that stuff hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    But if you go to Amazon you can only choose men or women, what happened to the 72 others???

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D5QTMXP...mId=B0752XJYNL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    If we just got rid of 4473s and background checks it wouldnít be an issue. Just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    Someone can not change their sex. Caitlyn Jenner can change his name as many times as he wants. He is still a male.
    You know what I mean. 2nd A belongs to everyone as long as they are not convicted felons and so on. Even if we don't like what they've become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I would never want to deny anyone the right to carry a firearm. Especially rational people like this.

    You know we could do this all day. I can easily post videos of average every day white males acting erratically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    You know we could do this all day. I can easily post videos of average every day white males acting erratically.
    And it's your right to do so. We can also agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by druryj View Post
    Like that will happen...


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    One can hope....

    We need to convince them to start being name fluid as well. That would really throw a wrench in basically everything when they are either forced to say enough is enough, or every piece of documentation on everyone would become invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShenandoahValley View Post
    You know what I mean. 2nd A belongs to everyone as long as they are not convicted felons and so on. Even if we don't like what they've become.
    I agree. But I would even support felons carrying guns. My issue is not that they shouldnít be able to have guns, itís that they are either a male or female, and their inability to purchase a gun is centered around their refusal to fill out a form correctly. I donít like the form and would take their side in fighting to get rid of NICS And the 4473, but will not support adding a second page for them to list another 70 made up genders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    I would never want to deny anyone the right to carry a firearm. Especially rational people like this.

    Wow, truely horrifying.....but I donít need to be banned today.
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