You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF

You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF

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    You're either a male or a female, according to the ATF

    Here is a very interesting quandary. According to the ATF, you must identify yourself as either a male or a female, and not one of the 71 other genders people self-identify as these days. I can see the law suits piling up on this one soon, especially in places like California. See the complete article at the link below

    However, when it comes to the NICS background check, a male or female identification is required on ATF form 4473. Thereís no non-binary option ďXĒ, and prospective gun buyers may not leave box 6 blank. Thatís because all entries in the NICS database are coded as male or female, and that canít be changed without a system-wide overhaul. So, FFLs may not transfer firearms to individuals who refuse to identify as male or female.

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    No problem. Aren't they all anti gun anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterGranny View Post
    No problem. Aren't they all anti gun anyway?

    Actually, I know a few liberals who own guns. Kind of strange, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G26Raven View Post
    Actually, I know a few liberals who own guns. Kind of strange, I know.
    But do they know which sex they are?
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    I don't have a problem with gender identification. You either have a Y chromosome, or you don't. "Facts don't care about your feelings." The purpose of the Form 4473 has nothing to do with your social presentation, it's about IDENTIFYING you as a human being, rather like dental records. I'm not fond of the law, but it IS the law, so deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterGranny View Post
    But do they know which sex they are?
    I think so...
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    If we just got rid of 4473s and background checks it wouldnít be an issue. Just sayin...
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    My wife is signing up for Medicare and supplements this month. For all of those forms, you have to be male or female, period. I used to work with actuaries and I can tell you, they don't give a darn about identity politics as far as their profession goes. They have actuarial tables for males and tables for females. If SJWs force them to go to one table, everyone's insurance is going up.
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    OH NO! You mean I canít self-identify as an old goat anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    If we just got rid of 4473s and background checks it wouldnít be an issue. Just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    OH NO! You mean I canít self-identify as an old goat anymore?
    I believe you're probably still eligible, @OldChap . But you might have to check with the FFA.

    Or maybe the FAA, for all I know...
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    Except that the vast majority of people who would identify as one of those 71 genders are most likely anti-gun Leftist extremists who don't have any immediate plans on buying any firearms and thus won't have to answer any of the ATF's questions.

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    Obviously the various branches of the US Government are not communicating well with each other. Just a few months ago I received a form from the Veterans Administration, which I was required to complete and submit under penalty of perjury. Included were my full name, my preferred name, my birth sex, my self-identified gender identity, my spouse's birth sex, and spouse's self-identified gender identity.

    I'm still having fun with my "preferred name" (kinda like official government permission to adopt a legal name change without bothering to go to the courthouse). Birth sex I had to rely on what Mom and Dad told me, way back when, because I really don't remember much about that day. Wife's self-identified gender identity was difficult; every time I asked her this she just laughed, so I finally filled in that blank "HA HA HA".

    At my next VA appointment I intend to self-identify as a strong proud African American woman, then see just how much honky crap I have to put up with to use the ladies' room. Maybe I'll get to meet the genius appointed to head up this important new division within the Veterans Administration!

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