1911- the perfect shooting handgun

1911- the perfect shooting handgun

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    1911- the perfect shooting handgun

    I have plenty of practical handguns, semis and revolvers. Some are "tupperware," others are steel, most are both. I've shot many, but I don't own a 1911 (though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...).

    Is there a better shooting, more accurate handgun than a stock 1911 in .45 caliber? Boring ergos, heavy to carry- but is there a "better" handgun platform/caliber combo if you want to "get the job done?"

    I can make the case for revolvers- a good wheel gun trumps all when it comes to simple operation and power. But for power, capacity, accuracy all rolled into one, does the 1911 win?

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    100+ years testifies to the quality and endurance of the 1911.
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    This topic is going to get..lively. The 1911 platform is in no way perfect, especially if you stick to mass produced ones. They can be picky, they need a lot more TLC than your Glock (in that you really don't want to run a 1911 dirty and dry like you can other guns), their weight to capacity ratio is terrible, and they cost a lot more most often than your plastic fantastics. On paper, they're outdated, terrible carry guns for the way most people carry these days. But, get one in your hand, and I doubt you'll care about the downsides. I've found no other pistol that seems to just go straight into place the moment your fingers wrap around it. Nothing feels as "right" in my hands nor points as naturally. It's almost like it's a finger on my hand, it just goes where I want it to without any effort. Nothing shoots better for me either, because of all of the aforementioned reasons. I can shoot very well with all of my current guns..but my 1911s are effortless. It's like the rounds aim themselves. Of course this is all my opinion and I cherish my revolvers, my CZs, etc...but it isn't the same. The damned things just warm my heart and I'm at my best with one in my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotPlacement View Post
    I have plenty of practical handguns, semis and revolvers. Some are "tupperware," others are steel, most are both. I've shot many, but I don't own a 1911 (though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...).

    Is there a better shooting, more accurate handgun than a stock 1911 in .45 caliber? Boring ergos, heavy to carry- but is there a "better" handgun platform/caliber combo if you want to "get the job done?"

    I can make the case for revolvers- a good wheel gun trumps all when it comes to simple operation and power. But for power, capacity, accuracy all rolled into one, does the 1911 win?

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    9mm +P energy is around 431
    45+P energy is around 461

    Accuracy? The most accurate handguns are ones that have fixed barrels like HKp7's, Walther pp series.

    As for combat accuracy, any glock/sigP series/HK will shoot as accurate as a 1911. Overall ergos could be debated, but a P35 Browning is every bit as ergo as the 1911.

    It all comes down to personal preference. I carried one and many times two 1911's on the streets professionally for almost 3 decades. I've got somewhere over 500K through various gov 1911s. I carry one on occasion still today, but there are just as many other guns in other calibers that give the same performance as the 1911 in my hands as well.

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    It's a highly personal decision/choice, but - it wins for me. Sig, CZ, Kahr, Glock, Kel-Tec, Taurus... the one I reach for first is a 1911. Maybe because I'm a middle-aged guy whose first CF handgun was a 1911 and I've been shooting 'em for 27 years, but it's just a natural pointer in my hand and the operation is simple (yes, even including the thumb safety) and intuitive.

    Before I bought my first one, I looked long and hard at what the market had to offer. The "wondernine" craze was in full swing. The S&W 469 was pretty new then and caught my attention, the Star M28 was a prime contender, but in .45 the options were pretty limited. I chose the caliber first and the gun second, and never had a lingering doubt. My first 1911 was a Springer 1911-A1 and it was (and still is) a better shooter than I am, and other than a broken extractor (which should have been replaced at the 10K mark) it's never let me down. Boringly reliable and minute of bad guy accurate.
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    Having owned my SR1911 for six months now, I think I'm on the bandwagon. It has a lot going for it, and my other pistols have been mostly gathering dust.

    I think there's an argument to be made that the design of a series 70 trigger can't be improved upon. Ergonomics are fantastic. A well-made example is extremely reliable, durable and accurate.

    It's also an excellent CC handgun. I find mine (4.25" barrel) to be every bit as concealable as my Glock 23. It's slightly longer and very slightly taller, but that's more than made up for by the extremely thin slide and frame. It rides IWB wonderfully. I don't mind the weight of all-stainless, but those who do have the option of aluminum frames. Loaded, a Lightweight Commander-style 1911 is only five ounces heavier than a G19.

    As for capacity, yeah, it runs dry faster. But it's very easy to carry spare mags. Two 1911 mags take about as much space as one G19 mag.
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    You want that popcorn with butter or plain...a bit of ice in the Bourbon or straight out of the bottle?

    We have many incredible firearms out there to choose from. The 1911 being one of many.

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    I love shooting 1911s, but I dont like carrying them because of the thumb safety I guess. I used to carry one, but I went away from it. Still love shooting them at the range though. Its like the Ferrari that I bring out on a nice sunny day.
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    I've got 1911's and I've carried them, keep going back to Glocks.
    I shoot my Glock 21, 22 and 35 just as well and they impress me as "soft shooting".

    A 1911 is slim and conceals easily IWB, but the 22 and 35 are fairly slim too. (35 seems big but its length / height are very similar to 1911)

    Limiting options to flush fit, 1911 magazine is 7 or 8 rounds 45 acp.
    13 rounds 45 acp in Glock 21.
    15 rounds in Glock 22/35
    Glock 21: Federal HST 230 gr. @ 863 fps / 380# KE
    Glock 22: Federal HST 180 gr. @ 996 fps / 397# KE
    Glock 35: Federal HST 180 @ 1,019 fps / 415# KE

    If I had to live in a 10 round state a 1911 would have more appeal, still the Glock 30SF (10 rounds 45 acp) would be a competitor for my holster.
    Although the capacity discrepancy is reduced, 1911 still comes up deficient.
    I'd carry two spare mags with the 1911 vs one with the Glock, but continuity of fire factors for something.
    30SF does not have the same "shootability" (for me) as the larger Glocks, advantage 1911.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    9mm +P energy is around 431
    45+P energy is around 461

    Accuracy? The most accurate handguns are ones that have fixed barrels like HKp7's, Walther pp series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post



    I love shooting 1911s, but I dont like carrying them because of the thumb safety I guess. I used to carry one, but I went away from it. Still love shooting them at the range though. Its like the Ferrari that I bring out on a nice sunny day.
    I like this analysis; it's kind of how I feel. I don't carry a 1911 primarily due to the weight, and I don't like the thumb safety either.
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    100 Years of service history, many more years of personal history will long engender the 1911 frame to us trigger pullers. Most of us military types and more than a few LE types have many hours of protection under our belts, courtesy of the 1911. Yes, I'm sure there will be those who prefer other more modern weapons now for their capacity and weight, and I admit to being one of them, but if we had to choose only one . . . . it would certainly be a difficult decision for me.
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