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Mass murder and gun free zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    India just had a bomb at a wedding. England and France they have been using trucks. The Mexican drug cartels have been murdering people by the scores for decades. If you disarm a murderer you end up with a creative murderer.

    People want to ignore what does not directly affect them. It is easier to blame an inanimate object than the problem. All these mass killers in the US have several glaring similarities. They all take psychotropic drugs for a mental condition, they all support the democrat ( socialist) manifesto I could go on.
    I specifically referred to school incidents because if we include all mass murder crimes we get into terrorism. In that, the US does stand out.

    As I mentioned, some other reasons for mass murder are religious terrorism. There have been many in the US where the perpetrators were not using psychotropic drugs, so that notion should be dismissed. Even in school shootings, some of the perpetrators were not taking meds (but perhaps should have been).
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    This forum is one source where I can find honest, open conversation about difficult subjects. Sadly, as we examine our consensus on the root causes of our attacks in our schools, it seems that Americans are to blame. Is our society to the point where so many are too immature to be trusted with adult decisions? It appears that socialism is the answer. The progressive movement is now in the right.

    Take note, one side effect of socialism, everywhere it is practiced, is a disarming of the populace. Perhaps not completely. The wealthy and powerful will still have hunting or shooting clubs. The average person will be unable to afford to keep and use a modern firearm. So that's it folks. The answer to stopping school shootings is an end to American liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    This forum is one source where I can find honest, open conversation about difficult subjects. Sadly, as we examine our consensus on the root causes of our attacks in our schools, it seems that Americans are to blame. Is our society to the point where so many are too immature to be trusted with adult decisions? It appears that socialism is the answer. The progressive movement is now in the right.

    Take note, one side effect of socialism, everywhere it is practiced, is a disarming of the populace. Perhaps not completely. The wealthy and powerful will still have hunting or shooting clubs. The average person will be unable to afford to keep and use a modern firearm. So that's it folks. The answer to stopping school shootings is an end to American liberty.
    Socialism......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    But gun banning countries don't have these incidents. At least not to the extent we have. Why?
    Because apparently they have law enforcement that does their job......take a look. We have the system but it's broken.

    Bad diagnosis, clerical errors, background check lapses led to missed warning signs before mass killings | Fox News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    It appears that socialism is the answer.
    Only if the question is "how do you ruin a country?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelSoul View Post
    Only if the question is "how do you ruin a country?"
    This was the question:
    Is our society to the point where so many are too immature to be trusted with adult decisions? It appears that socialism is the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    But gun banning countries don't have these incidents. At least not to the extent we have. Why?
    Because the concept of gun free zones has to be absolute or it doesn't work. Plus no where on earth does anyone have the civil liberties that you have in America. Nobody else has the 2nd amendment. Now we face a great deal of criticism from the European and Australian nations about gun crimes here mostly due to the far leftist European loving media. THAT SAID!! They have forgotten one minor detail.

    NO OTHER NATION ON EARTH CAME TO THE RESCUE OF EUROPE TWICE IN THE LAST CENTURY AND SACRIFICED OVER 500,000 OF IT'S CITIZENS IN DOING SO. (AUSTRALIA ONCE).

    So while the Europeans lecture us on human civil liberties............let's remind them that they created Adolf Hitler (40 million casualties).....we with all of our guns didn't. I'll get to Joseph Stalin (38 million casualties) later

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    @Doogie for the win!

    Roll over and let the socialists tell you how to live, or stand up and act like an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GpTom View Post
    When ever there is another mass murder in our country I tend to listen to the arguments that are popular. They cry out for fewer guns and more laws. But after thinking for a while I start to realize that these are not the answers to the problem. All of these mass killings happen in gun free zones. It is easy to see why. If a coward wants to kill a lot of people without having to worry about being stopped what better place to carry out his plans than in a gun free zone. So people cry out but nobody asks the key question and that is why are there no armed guards in gun free buildings. Is it because a few lives aren't as important as the cost of providing security? It is cheaper to lead us to the slaughter?
    Not all the mass murders happen in GFZs. Not all the mass shootings happen in GFZs.

    Sutherland Springs, Texas, NOT GFZ
    Roller Rink mass shooting, 6 killed, Grand Prairie, Texas, NOT GFZ

    I could make a long list of mass shootings and mass murders that were not GFZs, but two will suffice as proof that not "All" are in GFZs. Certainly a lot are, but there is NO reason to belief that all or most happen there because they are GFZs. In most cases, they are locations where the shooter has had issues or has issues with people at that location or are believed to be at that location. For example, work place shootings often happen where the person doing the shooting is an employee or former employee of that business or branch of that business. The shooter doesn't shoot up some other business or a different branch of the business for which they were employed. Most school shootings happen at the school where the shooter is a student or was recently a student. If a student gets kicked out of one school, he doesn't go and shoot up another school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    But gun banning countries don't have these incidents. At least not to the extent we have. Why?
    But they do. They ban guns, and other methods are used.
    Don"t let stupid be your skill set....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    This was the question:
    Is our society to the point where so many are too immature to be trusted with adult decisions? It appears that socialism is the answer.
    No, the answer is that there are consequences. For too long children have not been spanked and criminals have not been punished. Even now, the latest mass killer is trying to get a lesser punishment than he earned and deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    But they do. They ban guns, and other methods are used.
    No, comparable socioeconomic countries do not have attacks on schools in proportion to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    Not all the mass murders happen in GFZs. Not all the mass shootings happen in GFZs.

    Sutherland Springs, Texas, NOT GFZ
    Roller Rink mass shooting, 6 killed, Grand Prairie, Texas, NOT GFZ

    I could make a long list of mass shootings and mass murders that were not GFZs, but two will suffice as proof that not "All" are in GFZs. Certainly a lot are, but there is NO reason to belief that all or most happen there because they are GFZs. In most cases, they are locations where the shooter has had issues or has issues with people at that location or are believed to be at that location. For example, work place shootings often happen where the person doing the shooting is an employee or former employee of that business or branch of that business. The shooter doesn't shoot up some other business or a different branch of the business for which they were employed. Most school shootings happen at the school where the shooter is a student or was recently a student. If a student gets kicked out of one school, he doesn't go and shoot up another school.
    Yes! I thought of one mass shooting as I wrote that but most of these shootings do happen where they have stricter laws and where the shooter is almost certain that nobody else is armed. Especially in schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    This forum is one source where I can find honest, open conversation about difficult subjects. Sadly, as we examine our consensus on the root causes of our attacks in our schools, it seems that Americans are to blame. Is our society to the point where so many are too immature to be trusted with adult decisions? It appears that socialism is the answer. The progressive movement is now in the right.

    Take note, one side effect of socialism, everywhere it is practiced, is a disarming of the populace. Perhaps not completely. The wealthy and powerful will still have hunting or shooting clubs. The average person will be unable to afford to keep and use a modern firearm. So that's it folks. The answer to stopping school shootings is an end to American liberty.
    They have had mass acid attacks in the U.K. because the thugs will find some way to attack innocent people. Maybe you should try living in a country where they have real socialism for a while, just to see how you like it before you recommend it for everybody. I have noticed that the news media features a bunch of people who look like Hillary supporters. Older women and young whites and hispanics-- just wondered why blacks are eerily quiet about this?

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    @GpTom
    Was that a school attack?
    Say, how do you know where I've lived? That's a pretty big assumption.
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