Is there any truth to this? 80% Lowers that is.

Is there any truth to this? 80% Lowers that is.

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    Question Is there any truth to this? 80% Lowers that is.

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    Perfectly legal and I don't believe criminals will go to the trouble. More liberal fear mongering.

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    its legal and it should be. Just think, much like the bump stocks, there is only a market for this because of other draconian gun laws.
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    I'm no machinist and don't have the equipment, so finishing a 80% receiver is not something I would undertake.
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    They will never stop people from making guns. The Hmong, some group of kids in the Trashcanistans building AK's out of stamped parts and reloading once fired brass. Ghost guns are all over the place. 80% AR's, Glock receivers, 1911 receiver. Here is a cool poly AR:

    https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Fr...ler_/4-676733/

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    I have no desire to do it , but if I did I could with out question get it right
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    As others have stated, it is perfectly legal. Assuming someone isn't a prohibited person, they can manufacture guns for their personal use. The 80% receivers are not "firearms" - they are nothing more than a chunk of metal that just happens to have some of the shape of a firearm. However, what happens to it once you pass is a trickier question.

    From the ATF:

    Q: Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?

    A: No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho41 View Post
    As others have stated, it is perfectly legal. Assuming someone isn't a prohibited person, they can manufacture guns for their personal use. The 80% receivers are not "firearms" - they are nothing more than a chunk of metal that just happens to have some of the shape of a firearm. However, what happens to it once you pass is a trickier question.

    From the ATF:
    Who's to say the inheriting son didn't build the gun, seeing as there is no registration, no tracking, no legal requirement to keep sales receipts, no nothing. And if you say the ATF can (will) claim he didn't, they can also make that claim about every single homemade gun in existence. Prove you made it or you're guilty until proven innocent.

    Now if Bubba goes around telling everyone he has the homemade AR-15 his daddy built, well then...

    It's a can of worms waiting to be tipped over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I'm no machinist and don't have the equipment, so finishing a 80% receiver is not something I would undertake.
    Yep, but folks like me do have the tools to take care of it. Making it O' so much fun....
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    By law you can still transfer and sell the weapon. It's a grey line. What the law states is that you can't build one for the PURPOSE of selling or transferring. If you choose to sell it later or transfer it, you can legally do so. However, read up on that specific law because once you decide to transfer or sell it, I believe you have to stamp a serial number on it and manufacturer's (your info) information on the gun. But in order to do that, you would then have to have an FFL. It does get complicated. Oldvet is correct though in stating there is nothing there to prove you were the original builder versus someone else, other than the original sales slip from the place you purchased the 80% lower receiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    They will never stop people from making guns. The Hmong, some group of kids in the Trashcanistans building AK's out of stamped parts and reloading once fired brass. Ghost guns are all over the place. 80% AR's, Glock receivers, 1911 receiver. Here is a cool poly AR:

    https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Fr...ler_/4-676733/
    Do that in a clear plastic and you really will have a ghost gun. Or is that ghostly?
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    Seen a lower done on a 3d printer, it worked. Now I would not try that with a barrel .
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    We, in Kentucky, have been distilling adult alcoholic beverages without ANYONE'S permission for a loooooong time.

    Only for our own "personal enjoyment".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Who's to say the inheriting son didn't build the gun, seeing as there is no registration, no tracking, no legal requirement to keep sales receipts, no nothing. And if you say the ATF can (will) claim he didn't, they can also make that claim about every single homemade gun in existence. Prove you made it or you're guilty until proven innocent.

    Now if Bubba goes around telling everyone he has the homemade AR-15 his daddy built, well then...

    It's a can of worms waiting to be tipped over.
    @OldVet , I am not making any claims as to what would/could happen if such a firearm was to change hands. To my knowledge it is not legal. It is also illegal to sell them, but without any registration/history of where it came from the same argument as to "how" the authorities could prove it was illegally sold would apply. I can understand looking at those two scenarios differently, but the legality is the same (to my knowledge).

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