This is a discussion on Training verse practice/hobby or for SD within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by OldChap Neither one brother. Sadly, it is mostly obeying the range rules and not getting thrown out. That's about it. I don't ...
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ranges go bonkers in my area if you try anything remotely close to "training". I had to go with plan b.
laser bullets. having to constantly re-rack the slide gets a bit annoying, but, it works.
Take that into consideration along with the odds of ever even having to use a gun in SD and I'd be hard pressed to believe that anyone is doomed or even ill prepared for not practicing defensive shooting religiously.14) Training by AC---Overwelmingly none, followed by a small number who had taken a CCW course and a very small amount who had fired a handgun while in the military.
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Went to the indoor range this afternoon. Used a target of a guy with a gun. Today I wanted to draw from right hip and/or left front pocket but the draw and firing wasn't the focus. I wanted to randomly choose my responses from draw & immediately firing while backing up/off to side, drawing and not firing but backing up/off to side, not drawing at all but still backing up/off to side, drawing while backing up, and drawing and firing a random number of rounds decided while firing.
I wasn't concerned with the physical part of responding today but was focusing on being able to decide what response to use, including a not using a gun at all response, instead of getting in the habit of draw and shoot. Hopefully that kind of practicing will help train me to think on the fly.
Oh.. I also did a lot of talking to the target ranging from many bad words to talking him out of doing anything.
Great post, @Chuck R. The OP presented us with some possibilities that are actually more thought-provoking that I first took them: Training or practice? Hobby or SD training? The second pair could go either way. It's true that some people only shoot as a hobby and don't concentrate on SD. When I used to compete, it was a hobby, a serious one, but a hobby nonetheless. BUT for the SD folks: Some people just practice SD to a level they feel they need. YET Others get so into SD training that IT becomes a hobby. That latter group takes courses, does IDPA, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with that and not that they probably are increasing their chances somewhat. But it becomes more about the hobby than the practicality.
I remember vividly a scene I saw many years ago leaving a gun show. A guy was OC'ing, armed to the teeth with some expensive guns. He looked like a badass. He got into a pickup, did not put on a seat belt, lit up a cigarette and pealed out of the parking lot into a busy street at high speed. I thought: If he is about reducing his risks in life, he may want to reevaluate!
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It all "briefs well", but practical application? Based on my current lifestyle, a half way decent personal risk assessment it's definitely overkill. Add to it the fact I own my own range complete with reactive targets, props barricades, swingers a mover etc.
Buuuuut, it gives me something to do and I at least don't smoke, do watch my weight, do wear seatbelts.......
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Mark me down unapologetically as FOR HOBBY.
Any thing I do is for fun. I have my own outdoor range, and use it daily. I have not had a formal class in years and dont plan to, but if I did it would be like ROAD TRIIIIPPP, with a friend or two just to have an excuse to shoot up a bunch of ammo and have some fun.
I have so many other interests and things I do, that if I had to break down in percentages my priorities and concerns in life, self defense might rate maybe 2%.
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As far as what I do; I have two ranges that I attend (i.e. indoor and outdoor). I love the relaxed atmosphere of the indoor range and hearing the shot sounds from various weapons amplified in that confined space while shooting PAPER. I love it! I also get to work on my accuracy, two hand shooting, one hand shooting, weak hand shooting, shooting with both eyes open etc. But, then at the outdoor range I attend, I get to work on my draw stroke and reholstering, reloading, moving around, shooting from kneeling postions, laying down, on my back, etc, all while I am shooting THE STEEL targets to hear'em ring! I love it!
So, my point is, that I do what I feel is necessary for me and I don't get caught up or concerned about all of the stuff that others may feel that "they" need to do to be proficient with handling a firearm.
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I think most folk don't get to train like they need to, due to shooting range rules. These folk will do basic target shooting and call it training, which it's not, that's just target practice. I am fortunate enough to own a pretty good chunk of land that I shoot on. I can do whatever I please, drawing from holster, rapid fire, mag dumps, full auto, run and gun, etc and even setting off explosives. I'm slowly adding to my range and widened it up some and now can utilize it for target shooting, as well as tactical/SD training. Got a couple vehicles down there now, along with my barricades, which opens up my scenarios. You need to train for real life situations, whether that be in your home or out and about. If you are carrying every day, you need to be prepared to do business when the time comes. While I may not have the funds to take a good course, I watch a lot of training videos and incorporate that into my training.
I'll put myself down for hobby. I mostly shoot on family property 2 hours from my house. There I can shoot what I want how I want. When I'm shooting there I do more than just shoot for groups but If it were not fun I wouldn't do it. I might only get out and shoot there once every month or 2. I have public range and indoor range options 10 minuets away and choose not to use them because I don't enjoy shooting in those places. For me I'd rather wait for a chance to get out of town and shoot in solitude.
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Reading some of these posts serves to remind me how truly fortunate I am to have my own range located about sixty yards from my home. Even on days I don't go down to it, I can still take a few fifty yard shots on the steel before I go on about my day.
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