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Multiple gun calibers

This is a discussion on Multiple gun calibers within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; While it's prudent to have a "reasonable" supply of 9mm - .45ACP for handguns, and .223/5.56 - .308 for long guns, remember that using those ...

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    While it's prudent to have a "reasonable" supply of 9mm - .45ACP for handguns, and .223/5.56 - .308 for long guns, remember that using those calibers will likely either be an actual defensive use (a probable disadvantage unless you have a compound and lots of reinforcements), or you're a predator and using that firepower to seize someone else's supplies. I'm pretty sure most of us don't like playing defense and don't like thieves - nor want to become thieves ourselves.

    The other role you might play is "staying under the radar (nobody sees the gray man) and living off your own supplies." If you're successful with this, your chances of outliving the crisis are much higher than engaging in gun battles of any kind.

    This "gray man" role requires more thinking and far better planning, with food, water and medicines stockpiled for EVERY living organism you plan on supporting (including Fido, horses, chickens, cattle and any other animals). Even then, you may need to occasionally hunt, albeit with a small caliber. Don't neglect .22LR, especially if you can acquire a nice suppressed one in a rifle. Also, a .22 - .35 caliber air rifle can go a long way for hunting small game. (Actually the .35 [.357] will take down hogs, deer, etc. but not silently like .22 - .30 calibers will.) Plus a good air rifle won't destroy what little meat you'll find on rabbits and squirrels, nor will it advertise your presence to everyone within 1,000 yards. And you can pour your own pellets from molten lead source material. You can also use arrows instead of pellets with certain pneumatic weapon options.

    Bottom line, your best weapon has nothing to do with launching projectiles from a tube at high rates of speed. Your best weapon is your brain. Use it well and you may be able to avoid resorting to other more violent options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldIthink View Post
    Not me! If the mythical SHTF scenario arrives I plan on sitting here in my paper thin walled house and get my chitz blown off. I'll shoot back but that just means I'll buy my wife and I just a few extra minutes. No worries though. Don't really care at this age of my life. No kids, no worries.
    I'm not sure what chitz is but I'm guessing I'd like to keep it or them intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    There are three pretty much "universal" calibers: 9mm, 5.56mm, and 7.62X39. Any plan that encompasses the possible end of civilization should include guns in each of those calibers.

    Of course others would be desirable, but there the sky is the limit.
    I'm old enough to remember when the universal calibers were .22LR, .357Mag, 30.06 (or 30.30)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    I'm old enough to remember when the universal calibers were .22LR, .357Mag, 30.06 (or 30.30)
    Absolutely. Don't leave out two of the most common in history: 38 Special and .45 Colt.
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    To the original question I think a 45 is a good option but I'd add one of the "service" style pistol as like a G19 or XdM in 9mm, 40, or 45. For the OP the service gun would be backup or one for someone else in your group and in one of the 3 most popular calibers. I'd say an AR and a 12 ga pump would be next to add. Next would be the "need" to add more variety to the safe category. A revolver in 357 would work with the variety of loads it can handle. Next I'd add something in one of the popular sporting calibers. A 20ga is effective and lighter then a 12 and still largely popular. A rifle in 30-30 or 30-06 or even 270 would have use/trading value. Something that could be fun here would be a revolver/lever gun in the same caliber. The old western practice of two guns one caliber saves on ammo supply. I feel no matter what a .22lr handgun and long gun should be a part of everyone's plan.

    I think in most urban situations the neighbors will be important. I'm lucky most of mine would work together and we'd have a pretty safe area. I like the gray man plan but depending on what happens and how long it lasts depends how well that can work. I'll also admit I haven't given this tons of thought.

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    To start with .22. 9mm and 5.56. Then fill in the blanks on ones that can do more for you. 357,308 ect. They may have a common name but glock is far from a weapons in numbers that is good to have because of parts. No real right or wrong answers .
    357 is great because it can fire the 38 also. 357 riles are common. Nothing out sells the 9mm and there are a few 9mm rifles out there no much past 100 yards but they work. 5.56 hand gun version and rifle that fire both. More parts around than any other firearm ever made.
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    Smitty brings up a good option with a pistol caliber carbine. As said only good to 100 yards or so but could use same mags as your handguns.

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    May I think outside the box yet be practical and in tune with your past lifestyle?
    Select a handgun defense caliber and backup long gun that can double for preferred hunting type ONE EACH and dispose of the remainder, i.e. sentimental to family and sell remainder!

    Less to clean and practice is important so more time saved, less ammo stockpiled when on sale ... or to reload if The End is near .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldIthink View Post
    If surviving was so difficult how did the mountain man survive from year to year? Granted the water isn't as clean as it was then, but game is about the same and plants still grow.
    Quite simply, there weren't 327.2 million people fighting over the same food source.
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    A deceased friend of mine was a small child during the depression. His father and mother owned a small general store in the rural Southeast. They had just received a small shipment of guns and a large shipment of ammo when the 1929 stock market crash occurred. They sold and bartered .22 ammo by the round during the depression. They credited the guns and ammo with getting them through the depression.
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    Multiple calibers is good. But everyone misjudges the end of world scenario.
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    Personally, I try to stay with 5 calibers: 22 LR, 45 ACP, 9mm Luger, 223/5.56 and 308 Win. This leaves things manageable for me in terms of consumable supplies and if/when the S really does HTF, I have what I think will be more readily available than some others. However, if you are really worried about a SHTF scenario, you should stock up on both ammunition and spare parts.

    As to the firearms themselves... The 1911 is a good choice, but if you are looking for something that you can repair and replace parts in a situation where a gunsmith is not readily available, it might not be the best choice. There are many parts on the 1911 that pretty much need to be fitted - not something that everybody is capable of doing. Of course, you could always have a second, or even third 1911, in case the first becomes unusable for some reason. Or you could get the parts that you think might be needed as spares and have them fitted now, then put them in you maintenance kit (this is actually not a bad idea as it woudl give you the spare parts that you are most likely to need should something break at the range as well). If you really want something that you can work on yourself, without much training, you might want to look at something like the Glock, as somebody has already mentioned, or the S&W M&P. Both of these are common, easy to replace parts on and not too gawd awful expensive. For a long gun, a shotgun is a good choice in general terms regardless of whether it is a SHTF scenario or not, however, I have never been much on shotguns and do not even own one. For a rifle, an AR is hard to beat. Easy to work on and easy to stock up on ammo and parts. As for a good 22LR... Don't sell it short. In a SHTF situation, are you going to be more interested in survival or combat? If your answer is survival, a good 22lr can take small game with the best of them and can be used for self defense as well. No, it woudl not be my first choice, but I don't know too many people who are willing to stand there and get shot with one! Plus, you can carry a awful lot of 22lr ammo!

    For all of those other guns that you have that are in calibers that you have decided will not be your within "standard", well, that doesn't mean that you have to get rid of them. There is nothing wrong with having something just because you like it, especially if it is something that has been passed down through your family. Even if you have something that you do not shoot though, I woudl recommend having at least one or two boxes of ammunition for it, just so that it is usable should you ever want to shoot it. I do have a couple of pieces that fall into this category. They will be with me as long they are legal to own and even if I never fire them, I still enjoy having them.
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    I like playing the field with lots of calibers on hand.

    If I had to pick favorites, the .30-06, .30 Carbine, .38 Special, .45 ACP, and .22 Long Rifle would be good as any for my purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    Absolutely. Don't leave out two of the most common in history: 38 Special and .45 Colt.
    True, however, when I really got into firearms those 2 were kind of on the outs. I didn't know anyone my age who had a .38, everyone had .357 Mag. As for .45, again no one I knew had a 1911. I saw a few "old" guys at the range who shot them but they hung together - rather snobbish if you ask me!

    What this thread is showing me is there are generational differences in caliber preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOUSCG View Post
    True, however, when I really got into firearms those 2 were kind of on the outs. I didn't know anyone my age who had a .38, everyone had .357 Mag. As for .45, again no one I knew had a 1911. I saw a few "old" guys at the range who shot them but they hung together - rather snobbish if you ask me!

    What this thread is showing me is there are generational differences in caliber preferences.
    I think that around the turn of the century most urban police used the 38. But...I wasn't talking .45 ACP (1911). The .45 Colt is a rimmed revolver round - like what you saw in old westerns. It was adopted by the military for a time, but before 1900 it was probably the most common cartridge in America. Today, in modern Ruger revolvers with handloads, it comes close to the 44 Magnum.
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