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    Quote Originally Posted by G-man* View Post
    It is certainly a longer range cartridge than a 357 Magnum. It would take a pretty pedestrian 30-30 load to be considered the same as a 357 magnum, and every ballistic table will bear this out very clearly.

    Sure, the 357 from a rifle is a different animal than when fired from a handgun, giving anywhere between 300-500 fps more scoot juice. Certainly a logical choice for a short range longgun.

    But beyond that, the 30-30 is vastly superior in every way; this is not even debatable.

    So within the realm of a strictly short range rifle for SD purposes, yes, it is a feasible choice.

    However, it WILL NOT, do EVERYTHING a 30-30 will do outside of that scope of usage.
    The real issue with the 30-30 is not the cartridge, it is the platform it occupies. Because tubular magazines do not play well with ballistically efficient bullets - due to the possibility of recoil setting off a primer in the magazine, it is stuck with very blunt bullets. Out to 300 yards those bullets work fairly well. Beyond that, they give up too much to other rifle rounds.

    Having said that, the 30-30 has always excelled at close quarters hunting and has probably taken more game than any other cartridge since the early 20th century. It would work fine for close range self defense. However, given the skyrocketing price of pre-64 1894 Winchester rifles, mine will forever rest in the safe.
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    .30-06 for me too, LimaCharlie.


    Aww... come on OldChap. Extract that Winchester 94 from out of the safe and give it some exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    The real issue with the 30-30 is not the cartridge, it is the platform it occupies. Because tubular magazines do not play well with ballistically efficient bullets - due to the possibility of recoil setting off a primer in the magazine, it is stuck with very blunt bullets. Out to 300 yards those bullets work fairly well. Beyond that, they give up
    https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/leverevolution
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    I couldn't figure out which one to get.

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    Nice...but...

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    .330 BC on the Hornady vs .462 BC

    The soft point makes the problem of primer strikes go away - sort of, but the inherent limitations of a lever action then come into play. The 300 Blackout can run the Sierra 168 at a BC of .447.

    No matter which way you slice it, the 30-30 is a fine cartridge for what it is. It doesn't hold any advantages over more modern designs. And no matter how long you argue the point, it is not a pistol caliber cartridge.

    Now were we talking rifle caliber carbines...


    @bmcgilvray I would like to, but out of the two we inherited, one is scratched up a tiny bit and the other is absolutely pristine. Looks like a new in the box. Both were bought by my father in law at Walgreen's Drug Store in 1959 - on the same day. I even have the sales receipt.
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    I like PCCs, and have owned a couple Marlins for some years. If I were looking for one in 9MM now days though, I'd get one of the Rugers.
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