Old Off-Brand 1911 - Should I Buy It?

Old Off-Brand 1911 - Should I Buy It?

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    Old Off-Brand 1911 - Should I Buy It?

    An elderly widow in the neighborhood is having an estate sale of sorts, selling off a lot of stuff that belonged to her late husband. He had a few guns, none of which really interested me much, but there was an old 1911 that caught my eye. Other than a few scuff marks on the slide, it's in pretty good shape, and has a really nice smooth action, but it's some no-name brand I never heard of; "S. MFG Co., Elizabethtown, NJ". Anybody know who "S. MFG Co." is, or if this pistol is worth fooling with?

    The woman is well into her 90's, and doesn't seem to know (or care) much about her late husband's stuff. Her nephew is basically running the sale, and he says he believes his uncle brought the pistol back from WWII. The right side of the frame is stamped, "UNITED STATES PROPERTY M1911 A1 U.S. ARMY", and has a Serial Number below it, so I guess it's believable that it was a military issue weapon.

    I couldn't get a very good pic, as the lighting was poor in the lady's garage:

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    They're asking $500, but I think if they still have it tomorrow, I may go back and offer $400 or $450. Anyone have a feel for whether this is a decent pistol? I figure just about any 1911 in good working order is worth $450, but I don't want to drop the cash if it's junk.

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    It was made by Singer, buy it. If you don't like it, let me know.
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    On second thought, you might want to tell them what they have.

    Rock Island Auction Sold for $172,500
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    If that is a genuine, original, and otherwise correct Singer the $500 price tag is less than 1/10th of 1% of its fair market value.

    I own 29 M1911 and M1911A-1 pistols from pre-WW1 through WW2. I have never had the thrill of seeing an actual Singer pistol. Again, if it is genuine and correct you are potentially looking at the value of a modest house in a decent neighborhood.

    Beware of counterfeits! Singer completed only about 500 pistols during WW2, very few survive (and even fewer in original configuration), and the upward end of the market is limited only by whatever price tag you decide to place on it. The Singer Sewing Machine Company was contracted for pistol production, just as Remington-Rand, Ithaca, and Union Switch & Signal Company were, as well as a dozen other subcontractors for various parts (High Standard barrels, Keyes grips, American Pin Company magazines, Little, Risdon, and others).

    Hell, even if it is a counterfeit I would give $500 for it, just to have an example in my collection to show how far people will go to rip other people off.

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    My thoughts are along what others have already posted. I'd buy it immediately, but I've been known to impulse buy before. This is one I wouldn't pass on. Old Off-Brand 1911 - Should I Buy It?-screenshot_2020-03-31-23-56-51.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt3 View Post
    An elderly widow in the neighborhood is having an estate sale of sorts, selling off a lot of stuff that belonged to her late husband. He had a few guns, none of which really interested me much, but there was an old 1911 that caught my eye. Other than a few scuff marks on the slide, it's in pretty good shape, and has a really nice smooth action, but it's some no-name brand I never heard of; "S. MFG Co., Elizabethtown, NJ". Anybody know who "S. MFG Co." is, or if this pistol is worth fooling with?

    The woman is well into her 90's, and doesn't seem to know (or care) much about her late husband's stuff. Her nephew is basically running the sale, and he says he believes his uncle brought the pistol back from WWII. The right side of the frame is stamped, "UNITED STATES PROPERTY M1911 A1 U.S. ARMY", and has a Serial Number below it, so I guess it's believable that it was a military issue weapon.

    I couldn't get a very good pic, as the lighting was poor in the lady's garage:

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    They're asking $500, but I think if they still have it tomorrow, I may go back and offer $400 or $450. Anyone have a feel for whether this is a decent pistol? I figure just about any 1911 in good working order is worth $450, but I don't want to drop the cash if it's junk.

    Your thoughts?
    I think it may be the real deal. ColtAutos.com
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    Are you sure you're not trying to get the jump on April Fools?

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    As painful as it might be, consider informing the seller of its true value as a matter of doing whatís right. If they are still willing to sell it at a low price then buy it.
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    The problem I see is that to my knowledge, none of the singers were ever issued and I think all of them have been accounted for, but I could be wrong on that, I don't claim to be an expert. There were an unknown number made for employees but I don't think any of those had serial numbers.
    What is the serial number on this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airslot View Post
    On second thought, you might want to tell them what they have.

    Rock Island Auction Sold for $172,500
    Singer serial number 800221 sold for $414,000 back in 2017. https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...uring-co-model
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    Quote Originally Posted by flphotog View Post
    The problem I see is that to my knowledge, none of the singers were ever issued and I think all of them have been accounted for, but I could be wrong on that, I don't claim to be an expert. There were an unknown number made for employees but I don't think any of those had serial numbers.
    What is the serial number on this one?
    The Singer's were in fact issued, most to the U.S. Army Air Corps squadrons.
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    Nicely played, Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    Are you sure you're not trying to get the jump on April Fools?

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    As a matter of fact, Bryan, I was! Was thinking the thread would go on a little longer before I got 'outed'!

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